the c.i.a. who would make wonderful directors. my judgment is calendar by that. as far as the d.n.i., i think you need to know something about intelligence. you can gain that in a lot of ways, and that could be military or someone else. >> rose: the level of a human intelligence and, b., intelligence cooperation, this whole cargo bombing episode from yemen, this didn't happen on your watch. we would not have known about that and it might have succeeded except for saudi intelligence. >> the reality of intelligence operations against al qaeda group is an amazing international story. we're passing information back all of the time back and forth. and you basically-- if you go back and analyze one of these-- one of these incidents from the very beginning right up to the time the attack succeeds, as it did-- it doesn't succeed here. you find that there are probably eight, 10, 12 points at which you could have-- you could have had the breakthrough that would have enabled you to stop it. you spread your net as widely as possible to try to find one of those points at which you succeed. somet