the impose i guess of fare increase -- the imposition of fare increases. when we turn the corner on this crisis, the last thing we want to do is be raising muni fares at a time when san franciscans will be so economically insecure. and also when riders may be skeptical of congregating on public transportation as a result of lingering concerns about covid-19. and more than ever we will need to be incentivizing ridership, not disinventinvent size -- not disincentivizing it with fare increases. we are going to need hundreds of millions of dollars for our system to bounce back after this crisis. the estimated $15 million approximately in increased revenue from the proposed budget, from fare increases, will not even make a dent. we all know -- we know that this fare increase is not going to make a major difference in the budget. and we need to be clear that these fare increases will not increase service and similarly, a fare freeze will not decrease service, and we shouldn't be pitting those service and fares against each other. i think the it, it last thing we

two levels of fare capping, both fafare and reduced facebook. fare. we need a simplified fare schedule. i appreciate it. thank you very much and chair, i wish you well. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> operator: you have seven questions remaining. >> speaker, please give us your name and we'll start your time when you begin talking. >> question: i'm from the mtacac. i appreciate mr. tumlin's emphasis as we look at the hard choices presented in the budget. as we look for badly needed revenue, i wonder, could we dramatically increase parking rates? could we expand metering in residential neighborhoods and keep meters on until 2:00 a.m. on friday and saturday? could we raise annual parking permits to the extent that state law allows? could this board officially endorse congestion pricing and perhaps, with tiers, depending on levels of congestion as well as any state legislation we would need to make that happen? finally, could we follow the example of hong kong's mass transit railway corporation in developing housing on our own real estat

approving muni railway fare changes, various fare changes, extending discounts of pre-paid fare media, fare increases in excess of the automated index plan for all other passes. increases based on the sfmta's indexing plan for passports, cable cars and authorizing all fare changes to take effect the first day of the next month that is at least 30 days after the fy2021 budget takes effect pursuant or according to the extended deadline for the board of supervisors review as adjusted by an emergency declaration of mayor. acting a z the board of directtors and the parking authority commission approving additional increases to various fines, fees, rates and charngs. amending the transportation code division 2 and increase and decrease payment penalties, special collection fees, boot removal fee, transportation code and vehicle code penalties, color curb painting fees, towing and storage fees, community service processing fees and various fees. i won't read through all of them. >> very good. >> sorry. and i think there is a few more things in here. approving the site l vi analysis of the im

fare riders that is why we are not increasing single fare ride.with the other part that people can't afford sometimes that pass at the beginning of the month. is there a way to in that population again if they are paying $3 each time. that is more what they can afford as opposed to going to $44, would that be possible in that population to isolate it so they would hit that at the $44 as opposed to keep paying? >> we did discuss essentially what you are talking about an accumulatetor pass if that is possible and perhaps including it. that technology and leo or julie can correct me if i an am wrong. that is something that could be integrated into clipper two. it is something that might be possible in the future with muni mobile. we are looking at it. to implement the fare policy of that type we want the technology in place. that will take time. that is why it is not included in the budget. >> we have been told the technology to do the pass will not be available within this budget. one other item is that i think if we were able to pilot it, we would

the impose i guess of fare increase -- the imposition of fare increases. when we turn the corner on this crisis, the last thing we want to do is be raising muni fares at a time when san franciscans will be so economically insecure. and also when riders may be skeptical of congregating on public transportation as a result of lingering concerns about covid-19. and more than ever we will need to be incentivizing ridership, not disinventinvent size -- not disincentivizing it with fare increases. we are going to need hundreds of millions of dollars for our system to bounce back after this crisis. the estimated $15 million approximately in increased revenue from the proposed budget, from fare increases, will not even make a dent. we all know -- we know that this fare increase is not going to make a major difference in the budget. and we need to be clear that these fare increases will not increase service and similarly, a fare freeze will not decrease service, and we shouldn't be pitting those service and fares against each other. i think the it, it last thing we

a lot of people were interested in fares and asked us not to increase fares. we heard about the desire to see more muni service which would be great although as we discussed our economic situation is not looking very well so i'm be honest and say we can't provide additional muni service at this time. 15% folks talked about the extended meter hour proposal and a significant portion of the comments really asked us to look at our towing. and our fees on towing and maybe even our policy on towing. at the top of the hour, the video that we shared really covered muni fares and service and covered the extended meter hours but what we hadn't talked about yet is the towing. can you talk about what is in our budget proposal as it relates to towing? >> this is a source of a lot of public comments. including some very passionate and very personal stories at the sfmta board meeting. staff lis listened to that carefully. many of us here at the agency, myself included, have spent time living in our cars. so, we understand how important this issue is. so one of the places whe

a lot of people were interested in fares and asked us not to increase fares. we heard about the desire to see more muni service which would be great although as we discussed our economic situation is not looking very well so i'm be honest and say we can't provide additional muni service at this time. 15% folks talked about the extended meter hour proposal and a significant portion of the comments really asked us to look at our towing. and our fees on towing and maybe even our policy on towing. at the top of the hour, the video that we shared really covered muni fares and service and covered the extended meter hours but what we hadn't talked about yet is the towing. can you talk about what is in our budget proposal as it relates to towing? >> this is a source of a lot of public comments. including some very passionate and very personal stories at the sfmta board meeting. staff lis listened to that carefully. many of us here at the agency, myself included, have spent time living in our cars. so, we understand how important this issue is. so one of the places whe

fare riders that is why we are not increasing single fare ride.with the other part that people can't afford sometimes that pass at the beginning of the month. is there a way to in that population again if they are paying $3 each time. that is more what they can afford as opposed to going to $44, would that be possible in that population to isolate it so they would hit that at the $44 as opposed to keep paying? >> we did discuss essentially what you are talking about an accumulatetor pass if that is possible and perhaps including it. that technology and leo or julie can correct me if i an am wrong. that is something that could be integrated into clipper two. it is something that might be possible in the future with muni mobile. we are looking at it. to implement the fare policy of that type we want the technology in place. that will take time. that is why it is not included in the budget. >> we have been told the technology to do the pass will not be available within this budget. one other item is that i think if we were able to pilot it, we would

approving muni railway fare changes, various fare changes, extending discounts of pre-paid fare media, fare increases in excess of the automated index plan for all other passes. increases based on the sfmta's indexing plan for passports, cable cars and authorizing all fare changes to take effect the first day of the next month that is at least 30 days after the fy2021 budget takes effect pursuant or according to the extended deadline for the board of supervisors review as adjusted by an emergency declaration of mayor. acting a z the board of directtors and the parking authority commission approving additional increases to various fines, fees, rates and charngs. amending the transportation code division 2 and increase and decrease payment penalties, special collection fees, boot removal fee, transportation code and vehicle code penalties, color curb painting fees, towing and storage fees, community service processing fees and various fees. i won't read through all of them. >> very good. >> sorry. and i think there is a few more things in here. approving the site l vi analysis of the im

accommodate fares being the same.ial crises that we would require us to periodically implement a huge increase in fares that would be very painful for all customers. in order to avoid both the service crises as well as the every 5-year huge increase in fares, we've decided instead to impose relatively modest increases in fares each year. we've heard a lot on this topic. including many calls for free muni for everyone or free muni for certain classes of people or to cap all our fares given the reality of the financial crises that all our riders are facing. there are some challenges, however, to stopping a fare increase. that it impacts our ability to deliver service. one of the things that is quite clear about the san francisco system is that even though there's what we call a price elasticity of demand for fare. ridership declines as we increase fares. the elasticity demand is far greater. if we cut service in order to keep fares the same, that the impact on ridership loss will be greater. ridership loss will be prima

a lot of people were interested in fares and asked us not to increase fares. we heard about the desire to see more muni service which would be great although as we discussed our economic situation is not looking very well so i'm be honest and say we can't provide additional muni service at this time. 15% folks talked about the extended meter hour proposal and a significant portion of the comments really asked us to look at our towing. and our fees on towing and maybe even our policy on towing. at the top of the hour, the video that we shared really covered muni fares and service and covered the extended meter hours but what we hadn't talked about yet is the towing. can you talk about what is in our budget proposal as it relates to towing? >> this is a source of a lot of public comments. including some very passionate and very personal stories at the sfmta board meeting. staff lis listened to that carefully. many of us here at the agency, myself included, have spent time living in our cars. so, we understand how important this issue is. so one of the places whe

the impose i guess of fare increase -- the imposition of fare increases. when we turn the corner on this crisis, the last thing we want to do is be raising muni fares at a time when san franciscans will be so economically insecure. and also when riders may be skeptical of congregating on public transportation as a result of lingering concerns about covid-19. and more than ever we will need to be incentivizing ridership, not disinventinvent size -- not disincentivizing it with fare increases. we are going to need hundreds of millions of dollars for our system to bounce back after this crisis. the estimated $15 million approximately in increased revenue from the proposed budget, from fare increases, will not even make a dent. we all know -- we know that this fare increase is not going to make a major difference in the budget. and we need to be clear that these fare increases will not increase service and similarly, a fare freeze will not decrease service, and we shouldn't be pitting those service and fares against each other. i think the it, it last thing we

a lot of people were interested in fares and asked us not to increase fares. we heard about the desire to see more muni service which would be great although as we discussed our economic situation is not looking very well so i'm be honest and say we can't provide additional muni service at this time. 15% folks talked about the extended meter hour proposal and a significant portion of the comments really asked us to look at our towing. and our fees on towing and maybe even our policy on towing. at the top of the hour, the video that we shared really covered muni fares and service and covered the extended meter hours but what we hadn't talked about yet is the towing. can you talk about what is in our budget proposal as it relates to towing? >> this is a source of a lot of public comments. including some very passionate and very personal stories at the sfmta board meeting. staff lis listened to that carefully. many of us here at the agency, myself included, have spent time living in our cars. so, we understand how important this issue is. so one of the places whe

when would the fare increases go into effect? i know the city budget is being delayed somewhat, but when would our passengers be affected? >> i will let leo clarify that, but it would be 30 days after the board of supervisors takes action, which would be november. >> that's correct. but also, the board of supervisors could take no action, in which case under the mayor's new calendar, this would go into effect november 1st. if members decided to reject the budget, then none would go into effect until something they could accept. our budget would go forward in the sent we would have appropriations to operate under our existing policies, but neither the fare increases, nor the other changes would go into effect until the board allowed a new budget to go into effect. >> so the earliest would be november? >> november 1st. >> and i think this question was asked and answered earlier, but i want to be clear. from what i understand, we'll get an update novemberish, on the updated fiscal outlook and you were saying early in january, februa

fare passes for low-income adults and keeps the cash fare at current levels and m.t.a.'s current fare proposal will actually create two free muni programs in san francisco and free muni for all people experiencing homelessness. this continuing and growing access to free and reduced price for people with disabilities and the unsheltered would be balanced by a modest increase in fares over two years. full cost monthly passes would also be increased modestly over two years but by half the amount that would be required without those modest increases in clippers and single ride fares. finally, we cannot forget that fare revenue makes up about 20% of m.t.a.'s budget and translates directly to our ability to keep city workers employed. many m.t.a. employees would be at risk of losing good union jobs with benefits without these balanced fare increase. their salaries, health care and other benefits are a key driver of muni's growing annual operating cost and i believe these front line workers deservingerer our consideration and support now more than ever. we all know that muni, a

i do support fare capping.i think fare capping should go onto clipper, as well. >> clerk: speaker, thank you. your time is up. >> thank you very much. >> clerk: next caller, please. >> mr. dupree, your time is expired. thank you, as always. >> hi, this is thomas miller. i was saying as we still have a discount in clipper, just making sure that clipper is available in areas outside of the downtown core, which might include putting vending machines as surface rapid bus stops. you guys have set a lot about oh, we need to wait until the next generation, but b.t.a. and h.s.c. transit already have day passes on clipper, so -- >> thank you, mr. miller, as always. miss boomer, any other speakers? >> caller: you have one question remaining. >> clerk: all right. member of the public, when you start talking, please state your name. we will start your time. >> -- it's clear that this pandemic will have unprecedented and rippling effects at the national, state, and local level. according to governor newsome, on march 31, 1.

i do support fare capping.i think fare capping should go onto clipper, as well. >> clerk: speaker, thank you. your time is up. >> thank you very much. >> clerk: next caller, please. >> mr. dupree, your time is expired. thank you, as always. >> hi, this is thomas miller. i was saying as we still have a discount in clipper, just making sure that clipper is available in areas outside of the downtown core, which might include putting vending machines as surface rapid bus stops. you guys have set a lot about oh, we need to wait until the next generation, but b.t.a. and h.s.c. transit already have day passes on clipper, so -- >> thank you, mr. miller, as always. miss boomer, any other speakers? >> caller: you have one question remaining. >> clerk: all right. member of the public, when you start talking, please state your name. we will start your time. >> -- it's clear that this pandemic will have unprecedented and rippling effects at the national, state, and local level. according to governor newsome, on march 31, 1.

accommodate fares being the same.ould end up in a service and financial crises that we would require us to periodically implement a huge increase in fares that would be very painful for all customers. in order to avoid both the service crises as well as the every 5-year huge increase in fares, we've decided instead to impose relatively modest increases in fares each year. we've heard a lot on this topic. including many calls for free muni for everyone or free muni for certain classes of people or to cap all our fares given the reality of the financial crises that all our riders are facing. there are some challenges, however, to stopping a fare increase. that it impacts our ability to deliver service. one of the things that is quite clear about the san francisco system is that even though there's what we call a price elasticity of demand for fare. ridership declines as we increase fares. the elasticity demand is far greater. if we cut service in order to keep fares the same, that the impact on ridership loss will be gr

we also looked at fares. there was -- we have an indexing policy to try to keep fares in line with the rising cost of living. so there's a default that fares would rise with a combination of the cost of liveing and our labor cost increases. our board also has the ability to revisit that and adjust it every time we go forward with a new budget. so just based on that indexing policy our topline cash fare which is currently at $3 would rise to 3.25. there's a current leafiest cent discount if you pay by muni mobile on your single ride fare. and then we have passes, full fare passes around $81. it would rise to $85 under the indexing. so there were various options we wanted to put forward before our board. there's been a lot of public demand or really activism around the area of reducing fares and telling us about the impact that muni fares have on many of our customers. and so we did provide options of just pausing the cash fare at $3, reducing, trying to raise more revenue perhaps to pay for other equity option

and the other thing is summer fares, which got ridiculously low, $90 round trip new york to orlando, i see some evidence that those fares are coming up for the coming months. >> it doesn't matter how low you

fare passes for low-income adults and keeps the cash fare at current levels and m.t.a.'s current fare proposal will actually create two free muni programs in san francisco and free muni for all people experiencing homelessness. this continuing and growing access to free and reduced price for people with disabilities and the unsheltered would be balanced by a modest increase in fares over two years. full cost monthly passes would also be increased modestly over two years but by half the amount that would be required without those modest increases in clippers and single ride fares. finally, we cannot forget that fare revenue makes up about 20% of m.t.a.'s budget and translates directly to our ability to keep city workers employed. many m.t.a. employees would be at risk of losing good union jobs with benefits without these balanced fare increase. their salaries, health care and other benefits are a key driver of muni's growing annual operating cost and i believe these front line workers deservingerer our consideration and support now more than ever. we all know that muni, a

for more, go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "washington post" column this week. let's get started. ♪ >>> let's talk more about trump, china and covid. joining me now is nadia schadlow, who wrote a piece for "the atlantic" called "consider the possibility that trump is right about china." she was a deputy national security adviser in the trump white house. she is now a senior fellow at the hudson institute. and kishore mahbubani is a former diplomat, now a distinguished fellow at the national university of singapore. he's the author of a new book "has china won?" nadia, let me begin with you and ask you, lay out what you mean when you say trump is right about china. >> sure, fareed. trump is absolutely right about china. when he took office, he essentially looked at what china had been doing over the past 15 years that had been noticed, by the way, by bipartisan experts, both sides of the aisle in terms of its unfair trade practices, its theft of intellectual property, its forced tech transfers, its complete lack of reciprocity vis-a-vis the united states. all of