farhana yamin, you are just out of jail. can you explain what you did yesterday, why you got arrested? >> yeah, i join the mass civil disobedience that has started in london beginning on monday, and i did it because of the inaction of companies like shell who have funded campaigns of misinformation and lobbyist governments to not take action, which is why we are here at this critical time. just to let you know, this civil disobedience is happening all around the world. extinction rebellion is standing in solidarity with all of those people who have been fighting climate injustice from around the world. i think there are around 50 countries involved in the international support for the rebellion taking here in london, and each one is fighting against land aggregation, against human rights abuses, and the toxicity of pollution in their own countries. juan: clare farrell, could you you about the urgency that and the supporters of your movement feel right now and why you feel it is so necessary to do this massive civil disobedie

i'm farhana yamin, and i'm an associate fellow at chatham house.ted yet? not yet but i hope to be. you want to be. i'm willing to be. it's... i'm willing to be. you know, write less books and be out on the street and protest and be ready to, you know, pay that sacrifice. it's also, like, i've got four kids and the oldest one, every year she gets older and i feel, what's the progress that's been made? you know. all that time i spent as a young lawyer in a profession away from her — what does that count for? how many people do you want to get arrested? want to go to prison? what do you think will make a difference? well, it's very difficult to tell, but somewhere in the thousands and you're in the game park of getting in the room with the government, i would have thought. the police will go to government and say, "we're not doing this any more." they're not there to start arresting 84—year—old grannies or 10—year—old kids. there's got to be a political solution to this. extinction rebellion is growing — just a month ago these meetings at their london

farhana yamin is an international climate lawyer, who was an advisor to the republic of the marshall achieve? i think, i hope it highlighted the fact that these companies have been involved in climate misinformation and have known about the adverse impacts of climate change for a very long time. they have taken an active, proactive and heavily funded role in stopping climate action, and i think yesterday's action was designed to highlight that. i wanted to communicate somehow that me walking off in handcuffs for criminal damage to their headquarters is really incongruous, when actually the climate damage is happening as a result of fossil fuel extraction and they have known about these impacts and are not being held accountable. the third day of these protests. central london has been in gridlock. who are you aiming this message at? i think the message that climate change means you have to act now has really not got through, so i have been active in the climate movement for 30 years, actually, and for two decades we spent a lot of time arguing about climate science and having debates