you talked about fascism as an international phenomenon now. i was wondering if you could say a little bit about why now. why are we seeing this internumber -- international wave? >> can i go on that? so lots of reasons, technological, political and contingent. one thing to remember, biggest oracle point, is globalization failure. so the first globalization, 1870s-1940, we had the same pattern of opening up of international markets, right? suez canal, panama canal, export-led growth combined with lots of happy talk about how this would bring enlightenment, socialism. then that crashes. so broadest scope is we are in second globalization, and we've had some of the same patterns. the happy talk of the 1990 and 2000s is very similar to the happy talk of the 1890s and 1900s. we should expect the that globalization will have, you know, contradictions, that it will have challenges that will be alternative. that's pretty normal. once you get deep into a globalization, we can expect, you know, semithings. relatedly, new technology doing things you don'

again i would written parts of liberal fascism differently.it's amazing how it's become a total for people to hate me on the left or like it on the right and i have changed some of my views about how intellectual history works. in liberal fascism there's a tendency that is true of other people on the left and right to say philosopher a said acts. 500 years later philosopher b said therefore philosopher b must of been influenced by philosopher a. obviously some of that goes on but that intellectual connecting of the dots blaming everything on russo, i don't believe it in it as much anymore. it's interesting and illuminating but one of the things that come around to is on a much bigger believer and how our brains sometimes guide the ideas that we grab hold of. that tribalism is a thing that is hardwired into us and can manifest itself in different ways and places and that sense of want to be part of a group that tried socialism or fascism or communism or nothingism or any of the things that you think is more important than i i realize, not just

i often tell people that this book is a bit of a prequel to "liberal fascism". if i had to do it over again there are parts of liberal fascism i would have written differently. it's amazing how it's kind of a totem for people to hate on on the left and like me on the right, but i've changed some views how intellectual history works. in "liberal fascism", there's a comm common tendency of a lot of people on left and right to say philosopher a said x. and then philosopher b said it so therefore philosopher b must have been influenced by philosopher a. and connecting the dots, sort of blaming everything in rousseau. i don't believe in it as much anymore. it's interesting and illuminating, but one of the things i've come around to, i'm a much bigger believer in how our brains sometimes guide the ideas that we grab hold of and that tribalism is this thing that's hard-wired into it. it can manifest itself in different ways and places and so that sense of want to be part of a group, a tribe, whether you call it socialism or fascism or communists or nazis any of this th

is jonah goldberg we will get to the subtitle in justst a minute is there a line between liberal fascism the most obvious that i oftenve tell people this is a bit of a prequel. if i had to do it over again i would do it differently. it is amazing how it is a totem to hated on the left door like it onn the right but i changed my views how intellectual history works in liberal fascism there is a common tendency for people to say 500 years a different philosopher says something else that it must be influenced by philosopher a-letter but to connect the dots so i don't believe in that as much anymore because it is illuminating but i have a much bigger believer in how our brains with the ideas that it is hardwired to manifest itself so that sense to be part of a group or a tribe that instinct is more important than i realize. not just those idease but the receptivity of our brains so there is a lot of overlap with the limited government and conservatives that that evolution is marked and where my head is at a lot these days mimic if you would rewrite liberal fascism would it be a completely di

this is a freak well to liberal fascism.there were parts i would have writtenl differently that has become a totem for people that hate me on the left or like me on thee right but i have changed some of my views how intellectual history works and liberal fascism is a tendency for lots of people on the left and the right than 500 years later philosopher b says say that b must have been influenced by philosopher a. but that connecting of the dots blaming everything on russo i don't believe in that is much anymore. one of the things i have come around to i am a much bigger believer of how our brains guide the ideas we hold on to and tribalism isan hardwired and can manifest itself and so that sense but communism or not see then that instinct ism more important then i realized. with the receptivity of those brains so there is a lot of overlap limited governmen government, conservative but the evolution and how i view them is someplace where my head is out a lot these days. >> to rewrite liberal fascism it would be a differentys

it's was a vision of what american fascism would look like. lot of what lewis predicted his trump to a t. brian: let's catch up with dorothy thompson first. >> the real issue between the foreign correspondents of the german government is the nature of journalists. the german government wants its own press. official news. news it's believes to be in support of the presence regime. the attitudeave that the foreign press should also share this point of view. brian: you said she was american. where did she get that accent? prof. churchwell: she grew up on the east coast and lived in europe for a long time. she kind of sounds like katherine hepburn. she is talking about the freedom of the press. the idea that a free press is almost another branch of government. a cornerstone of democratic freedom. germany was involved in a wholesale assault on the freedom of the press. that is part of a fascist regime. aey are only going to have naturally approved press that would share propaganda and stories that are flattering to the current regime. and would sup

she became the voice of anti-fascism in america. very much the voice warning that it could happen in the united states. brian: who are these people in this picture. prof. churchwell: that is dorothy thompson, her husband, the author sinclair lewis. that's their little boy. he wrote the novel it can't happen here. that novel was very influenced by her european circle. the debates in the arguments they were having and the concern over what was happening in europe. he wrote a novel provoked by huey long, the louisiana senator. it's was a vision of what american fascism would look like. it is remarkable to read that book now in the context of trump because a lot of what lewis predicted is trump to a t. the voice sounds almost exactly like trump. brian: let's catch up with dorothy thompson first. >> the real issue between the foreign correspondents of the german government is the nature of journalists. the german government wants its own press. only to publish official news. news it's believes to be in support of the present regime. it s

says in his article that basically just ten percent of the population is always fascist in their fascism blah blah blah but my . saw on this and i've brought this up before you have to look up a study called monkeys reject unequal pay by sarah brosnan and frans de waal and the fascism in that moment comes with that economic injustice so that the study shows you give the monkey a cucumber the cucumber is pleases the monkey the monkey eats it but then the neighboring monkey gets a grape which is much better ok we all agree and when that monkey the first mike you got the cucumber sees that they go ballistic and they resort to violence they start throwing the cucumber is like nothing satisfies them and they get really tough i think that's what we're seeing at this moment is that we're seeing that a certain select group of people are privileged by the politicians and the central banks they're given grapes and we we keep on being told like aren't you happy with brioche i.e. the cucumber shouldn't isn't this good enough paul mason it's amazing to me because he's saying the left is failing so th

warning that fascism could happen in the united states. picture, there are three people in the picture. you'll be easy to identify. who are they? > dorothy thompson, sinclair lewis and their little boy. sinclair lewis the author of the novel "it can't happen here." that novel was very influenced thompson's european circle, by the debates and arguments that they were having nd there were concerns about what was happening in europe, and he wrote a novel, very much by, if that's the right huey long, ed by louisiana senator, with a vision specifically t american fascism would look like and it's remarkable to read that now, in the context of trump because a lot of what it's predicted there, trump to a t. it's really extraordinary, the way the voice sometimes sounds like trump.ly >> let's catch up with dorothy thompson first. issue between the foreign correspondents and the german government concerns the of journalism. the german government allows its only to publish official news. believes, to be in support of the present regime, and it seems t

is going to boston or the right the left fascism possible to the center through that main stream andthis is that more stable relation which the europeans are starting to make and but they are left. on this block in america are the elites reacting to it appropriately of course not because they're simply doubling down on fair. policies failed politicians right you have the threat of mccraw i mean the threat of le pen and the backlash against that and the collapse of the sometimes socialist party after how long what do you do you have doubled down on the banks there micro right who delivers absolutely nothing and you have the yellow vest movement as a counter reaction to that all across the e.u. there is simply you are telling the people the elite are telling the people the technocratic european elites telling the people you just have to accept that we know better than you do that sounds like a mission sort of old fashioned communism well even if anything way if you just think the way this is sold reflect at the end then you would be an agent you have to rush and there is a combination

they united to combat communism, socialism, fascism, or collectivism in america. this is one of the newer parts of the wilcox collection that we have acquired. do-it-yourself publications that people creates around an issue or a part of their lives. they might even talk about their feelings about different issues like bullying or things like that. the advantages are that you can just byone yourself cutting and pasting images and then xeroxing the sheets, stapling them together. you can do 10 or 20 and pass them around among your friends. we have probably about 1500. sometimes we face criticism for collecting the materials that we do -- the more extreme materials, because people feel we are given these -- giving these organizations a platform. you have to keep in mind that this is a collection that is based on free speech, and a university campus is really the ideal space to be gathering materials that represents a lot and documentideas historically just what is happening in the world. if you don't have materials that represent both sides, then you really can't get

we were fighting fascism and evil. this larger picture of the significance of d-day in world war ii in the minds of stephen ambrose and through the way in which spielberg portrays it in private ryan, you get some of that in parts of that movie. some historians and critics don't like that. in any event, the grand opening was a huge success two years later. i think you can look and see tom hanks on the left and steven spielberg on the right. you can see ambrose and myself in the middle. there is tom brokaw stephen ambrose. we have 200,000 people on the street of new orleans. it was a great day for the museum and our city and state. fortunately we had c-span capturing all of it live. not just the opening but for eight hours, we had a lucky break. there was no competing news event that crowded the news cycle. we were able to launch with tremendous publicity. spielberg, tom hanks and brokaw were all there. it was not just a great day for the national d-day museum but it was a good day for the good war. that is what tom brok

call them fascists when in fact what the elites have is closer to what is the actual definition of fascism minus the you know the actual in a brown shirt and thuggery in kneecapping it's kind of like mussolini means jim jones jonestown if you can print a hundred million dollars and buy a vango and stick it on a wall and then get your photo on the cover of fortune magazine you are a god did you work even five minutes for the now not in the sense that you work as long as we have interest rate apart as long as you live in the bantustans of the reserve in the middle of the boonies expendable because we are working taxes are not needed. then we will be ever more going to sign to the permanent underclass and the forces of insurrection will continue to get stronger there's evasion all movement is going global bankers are now rightfully seen as the enemy full stop well certainly money creation will always basically make it impossible for you to climb up the ladder and you become a national in the media you become and the you become the bad guy you're the one that's painted as all right are deplora

minute women called themselves a nonpartisan organization united to combat communism, socialism, fascism or collectiveism in america. this is one of the newer parts of the wilcox collection that we've acquired. these are zenes which are do it yourself publications that people create around a issue or a part of their lives. they might talk about their feeling about different issues like bullying. the advantage of a zene is you can produce one yourself just by cutting and pasting images and then xeroxing the sheets, stapling them together. you could do ten or 20, pass them around among your friends. we have probably about 1500. sometimes we face criticism for collecting the materials that we do, the more extreme materials because people feel that we're giving these organizations a platform. and we have to keep in mind that this is a collection that is based on free speech. and a university campus is really the ideal space to be gathering materials that represent a lot of different ideas and document historically just what is happening in the world. if you don't have materials that represen

america, this is post the depression and fascism was attractive. remember, in italy,ed made the trains run on time. you had countries in latin america would love the trains to run on time. some of them would love to have trains, and they admired many people, the fascist organizations and they had their own fascist home grown. didn't have to have nazis imposedded from germany. they'd had their own home-grown fascist groups. another reason that roosevelt was so concerned as were the military, was because latin america had all of the wartime materiale needed for a war machine. they were going to germany. there was tungsten which is used for tanks and platinum, platinum which is 30 times more valuable than gold. rubber, oil. oil is just as now, something that people will go to war over. mexico had the biggest reserves at the time. the president of mexico, probably the best president the country has ever had, cardenas, wanted to sell to at the democratic countries. her was a democrat. why couldn't he? because big oil, standard, shell, texas co, were boy

but with the lesson of two world wars to learn from if any of us among the united nations give fascism coming plan open road to revival by being fooled into neglecting this, or this, the axis legacy in action as the true cost in terms of tomorrow begins to show itself, dissension, distress despair, doubt, defeatism, fertile soil for the seeds of world war iii and significant signs of axis success in this, the last battle. and if we permit this to be the face of the future then truly there will be only one place in which to rest the full burden of blame. on ourselves. ourselves, including those strolling in the shaded streets of nations whose trees have not been stripped by shrapnel. and those holes who have suffered neither burn nor blast, on lush land bearing no scar of scorched earth, in the shops where shortage represents not death but merely temporary discomfort. walking by schools and grounds where the only screams being heard were and are those of children at play. and whose steeples stretch toward god unshadowed by the bomber's wing. in this atmosphere imagination no matter how

all of them witnessed firsthand the rise of hitler in germany and fascism in europe. we are seeing similarly ominous developments. auden declared in 1937 a writer's duty is to make action urgent and its nature clear. what duty or urgent action did they take? what action do we, as writers and citizens? steven spender became a communist and went to madrid to, fighting a proxy war against hitler and mussolini. before auden left for madrid, he wrote the poem spain, identifying that conflict as the critical the struggle of his generation. but neither of them stayed long. auden later repudiated the poem and never spoke of what he witnessed in spain. with the benefit of mind sight -- hindsight we have asked of this generation hour work did their precious yens, who of them was the most courageous, who the most naive? where were they in september 1939 when england declared war on germany? hindsight has imposed a simple plot on that the decade, one that contrives to set the stage for world war ii with its unspeakable genocides, the aerial bombardment of european cities, million

we're here to expose and oppose much of fascism.ot just in the halls of the negotiation, but all of the world. from where i come from, the philippines, duterte is a macho , killing everyone who gets in his way. it is the same thing all over the world. fascism rise of macho who decides on the future of our planet. we cannot allow that to happen. we need to rise up. the government here do not want critical voices. they want to silence us. their turn to silence critical voices -- they are trying to sell is critical voices during the climate talks. they say demonstrations are not allowed, protest are not allowed. you have they don't allow it, we will assert our rights to express ourselves and protest. >> and from corporate accountability based in boston. we're here in solidarity with people's movements around the world demanding climate justice. the people's demand for a climate justice at cop24. it is extremely concerning that those organizations representing the voices of people are shut , justen in the same voice yesterday, an execut

middle east, and latin america is being used to divide working people and to foam and support for fascism let's be clear on something. yes, they make a lot of noise about immigration, but immigrgration was never the iss. let me give you an example. theloudest noises against migrant, the foreigner, the refugee, come from places that don't have any -- like hungary. they have not seseen a refugee. they do not know what a refugee looks like. yet, that is were refugees are demonized more than in sicily or less posts, islands in the mediterranean, that are forming with refugees. with got nothing to do flows. what it has to do with this the fact to flechette or a forces unleashed by a vicious capitalist crisis, whether the 1930's or today, especially when they start touching t the pensin funds, the nest eggs of the middle class, they gave rise to wonderful opportunities for investment for demagogues, for those who stand on a soapbox and say, "i will make you proud again." it is jew, the syrian, the left-handed persoson, the different. if we get him, our nation will be proud again. let's be clear

charlottesville comes up, cnn puts me on the attack and says defend yourself against fascism. really? i said, i follow the thoughts of martin luther king jr. protestant el -- the elegy phd -- theology phd. the onus on us, when we have the winning principles in the first place, that will be my project. has been putting the big ideas, the. igo ideas together with the economic semi politics. back to the drawing board. we have to win over the american people on those set of ideas. >> do you go back to academia? what is next? rep. brat: some combination of economics -- academic but keeping a couple feet in the swamp. trying to educate the american people on these ideas. we can't win folks over. everybody talks about unity. the first principle used to be in god we trust. it seems like a pretty good motto. that was the first principle for civ.of western eastern traditions, it even, you can do the analogous. the first mover and aristotle is god. what shall we unite around? you are to unite around the first principle. it seems to be that would work. friends,n-american baptist tradition

of traditional fascism. and we prove that you know what you.mentioned earlier soledad if you feel it is not so good you will not exist outside of which i don't suppose you know the most about you recently found it to to make you think you can you. would pass or your eyes to close up the beauty of the season which it would be a little simpler could be construed as well if you don't exist. then there are just feels generation identity differs from the traditional far right by the image they try to project. what they realized was that marginalization would never bring their ideas to power and never make their ideas spread so they try to have the cleanest image possible that was little timidly the message remains the same for a massage of us remember. one evening. taking. just with his folks. but i did lose hope that we'll see a bunch of their own security so i'm going to assume you're saying ok for the first two of us you know usually if you're just going to say if you saw the city a good thing. there is constant fear the bomb goes on inside the c

of traditional fascism. and we prove that you know if you really. push me to follow that up if you feel it's not so good you will not exist which is supposed to mean you come with a lot recently found situation where you think you can you. would pass or you're still likes to clog up the p.c. up because he's a comic which you have to be a list in the can you just want to help what you know needs to be simple let me do . the feels generation identity differs from the traditional far right by the image they try to project what they realized was that marginalization that would never bring their ideas to power and never make their ideas spread so they try to have the cleanest image possible we little timidly the message remains the same for a massage let's remember. one evening let me start taking. just with his photo. but i got blue shirts it was a bunch of their own security so i'm going to assume you're saying that you for the first two of us to be a bit used for that do so if you saw the city in the us. there is constant fear the bomb goes on inside

where your leaders number two oh you must be these populist which of course is a code word for meal fascism and then number three they make a minor concession but they don't want to have a discussion about it i mean every step of who way shows a failure of leadership here ok and you haven't fuld these people because they understand that they have the real power and why in the world should poor people have to pay for austerity stared he is making people poor go ahead look. well it's the last straw for these people you know the working french the people who never complain and pay their taxes yet but look at the number of people on the roundabout and look at who is there many women single mothers with kids they cannot feed their kids after the twentieth of the month because they only earn one thousand three hundred euro per month and days spend three hundred in fuel but that is more than just a few are that it's also the gas prices that are supposed to go up for heating and or also electricity prices have gone up five hundred percent of the last five years in france so this is terrible everyth

election and people were against the far right candidates because because of and to fascism and the they were able to to vote for mr macro because even if it's. representative of the high finance of the big banks here and so on but the problem in france or whether you have a position from the left of persons from the right you have people who cannot get along together the only thing they have been common is that they want to get rid of macro so as we are in a presidential election with a very strong president and very weak parliament you don't have power sharing like i think in the in the u.k. or in the us for instance mark was much more power than donald trump for instance who has always a congress against him so that's that's an institutional crisis because micro is used to weak for is legitimacy to too strong. with these powers so it has only to get to go away and we have to change the constitution not only get rid of macro but change the entire constitution make much more parliamentary much more you call a constitution not this kind of bonapartists constitution that was made by de ga

election and people were against the far right candidates because the because of and to fascism and the there were able to to vote for mr merkel in france or whether you have a position from the left or persons from the right you have people who cannot get along together the only thing they are being common is that they want to get rid of her of macro and micro. used to weak for its legitimacy or to too strong. with these powers so it has only just got to go away and we have to change the constitution not only get rid of macro but change the entire constitution make much more parliamentary much more you call a constitution. u.s. national security advisor john bolton has outlined a new strategy for africa limiting american aid to certain countries he said the previous strategy led to billions being spent in effectively the united states will no longer provide indiscriminate assistance across the entire continent without focus or prioritization under our new africa strategy we will target u.s. funding toward key countries and particular strategic objectives. when his speech bolton also sa

now today we see the rise of fascism across the western world burdened by debt made all in two thousand and eight ok so is there a connection there well yes in. germany couldn't pay nor could the allies pay for their word debts to the united states and the world economy broke down in one thousand thirty one when there was a depression this is exactly what happened in the one nine hundred seventy s. and eighty's under the i.m.f. when the i.m.f. insisted on being repaid is what happened when the i.m.f. finally began after two thousand and eight was a godsend to the i.m.f. because finally countries had to borrow again and the i.m.f. could impose neoliberal austerity and you have countries like greece and the i.m.f. promised that if you get poor and have austerity and pay your wages lower the wages you'll be able to pay the debt more green isn't able to germany today will not allow any of the debts of greece and presumably coming up next italy to be written down so the euro will it crumble i don't see how it can go it won't grow it will be a slow crash if the government cannot create money

slowly you had more organised people, this extreme left and extreme right, this anti—fascism type offflers and kit, and then you have the same thing on the extreme right. it's obvious the movement is much more now in paris itself, and it is much more radicalised. there is an understanding in the country that we know the difference between a movement that still exists, and the fa ct movement that still exists, and the fact it has become a crucible where all sorts of people converge, including opportunist hooligans who just want to loot. but still the country supports the movement, the country supports the movement, the country supports the yellow vests, essentially because most of the country experiences the same thing. lowered expectations, lowered income, and a feeling that not only oui’ income, and a feeling that not only our lives worse than before but their children's lives will be even more difficult. there are calls on the street for macron to resign. we are hearing there is a lot for people to be angry about, but the rot, is it all down to emmanuel macron, really? it isn't. it