he's a senior figure in fatah, in president abbas's party. i think neither israel nor fatah wants hamas to get the credit for the release of someone as important as this man. so while certainly fatah and abbas have taken a hit, a palpable hit with this, if you will, it's not a mortal blow. it wasn't, i think, intended by israel as a mortal blow because if they had released the other man i think that's what it would have been. a slap certainly at abbas who has angered israel and a chance, again, to show not only to demonstrate a willingness to do imaginative things and cross red lines which both netanyahu and hamas has done but also to work constructively with turkey and with egypt which, you know, sort of counters this idea of israel being isolated a little bit. >> ifill: let's talk about egypt's role because in the wake of the arab spring and the uprising in the region, how significant was it that egypt was the go-between here? >> it undoubtedly was significant. i think the question one has to ask-- and i don't think we know the answer yet,

the israelis are afraid to release him because he can bring about reconciliation between hamas and fatah many people feel that hamas was almost happy to abandon your husband because he poses serious political competition to the hamas leadership what do you think. of course a leader like marwan barghouti is very popular in palestine and the arab world a lot of people have been phoning me to protest that he's not part of this deal i think it's israel who don't want him out of the jail hamas only accepted the deal at the last minute why do you think hamas accepted the deal of you who were i don't know the main reason why hamas accepted a deal without marwan no one here in palestine understands it but hamas was under pressure from the israeli side khaled mashal her muscles political bureau chief promised you that there would be no deal without marwan do you feel betrayed. right now i'm confused about my feelings because i'm not happy about marwan but i'm very happy for all of the prisoners and their families as a mother i'm thrilled because all these prisoners have money. it's and i know how

and some people who say just take a half million palestinians and push them out of fatah sign as be did to house the palestinian people in nineteen forty eight so if this is all this said let this we exclaim said let's at the most extreme out of five want. because the israeli soldiers put up this iron next because the settlers were throwing stuff it was good little to protect as you know instead of chucking stone see through filthy water and other stuff that passes through even met in the book of. hebrews is the only silly in the west bank and gaza duckie by personal territory settlement that all. implanted at the heart of the city and we need the result of that is the slow death of the posts in the population center for the benefit of the expansion of these sentiments you can see this as a trend since two thousand since the beginning of the recent the father with the closures all in three points into the old city one we have since two thousand is was areas where no pulsing in vehicle movement is allowed another area where else and these are not allowed to go through and no presence of

and some people who say just take the millions by this years and push them all to fatah side as we did to half the palestinian people in nineteen forty eight so this other set at the extreme said let's at the most extreme out of five want. because the israeli soldiers put up this iron next because the settlers were throwing stuff it was good they put it up to protect us which you know instead of chucking stone see through filthy water and other stuff that passes through the net in the back of the hemi and hebrew is the only city in the west bank and gaza death by a person in territory settlement that. implanted at the heart of the city and we need the result of that is the slow death of the posts in the population center for the benefit of the expansion of these sentiments you can see this as a trend since two thousand since the beginning of the recent the father with the closures of all the entry points into the old city when we have since two thousand is was areas where no pulsing in vehicle movement is allowed another area where else and these are not allowed to go through and no pr

been voicing their anger over rising joblessness student debt and police brutality professor alex fatah leader who actually took part in the new york protests believes the ultimate go goal is to change america's political climate. there's a clear sense the united states that the power of wall street is completely out of control and that they are responsible for wrecking new american economy and i think young people in particular feel that their futures have been. before the outrageous salaries and bonuses earned by the french street executives i think in large part what they're trying to do is to create a political climate where a number of political actors can start to talk seriously about significant ripley forms that hopefully can break up this kind of corrupt marriage between economic and political elites in the united states i think it started more like the indignance movement in screen with young people who felt alienated from both. politics and from the big political institutions labor unions and cetera but what it's more thing into i think is something more like what's been goin

then led away and the other incidents that we know of places actually beatings by the police with fatah younes we know that there was a proximately a total of ninety protesters now that were arrested in new york city during the course of events yesterday now aside from what happened in times square which we've been reporting on in a very intense day there was actually a massacre stand out in washington square park which is an area here college campus in new york city some of the occupy wall street protesters had gone down there they held what they call the general assembly which is their state meeting with they decide whether or not to occupy that park as well or not. doesn't know two dozen or so of them decided to stay and what we saw was and precedent to use of force i can east we started riot police regular officers around the entire park. just to clear this area of these twenty processors or so they kicked our salad out as journalists were trying to film the incident to capture what's going on and bring to the mission to the world and the police officers actually start using strange

it's not the top leadership of the fatah party and, of course, it's not hamas.whose main political goal in the so-called unity decoration seems to be to oust fire. the palestinians continue to suffer i would argue the curse of poor leadership. a comparison that is unfair to abbas in a sense he has completely aroused violence. but like his predecessors, and and whatever his motives or excuses, he is unwilling to lead his people to peace. so i would have to say that i see the so-called peace process now likely to lead to where the meetings held in washington are begun in washington last september, remember the last visit resident no bartlett at that time, nowhere. and you. -- thank you. [applause] >> spent i've got to raise the mic. i, too, want to join the other panelists in thanking for hosting the event, letting me participate. thank my other distinguished panelists, especially my foreign boss and good friend, scooter libby. i don't think we've had the pleasure of serving on the panel together since we left the government service. it's a great pleasure. 20th an

they're divide between fatah and ham as. i. i think they all want an independent country but are their views of what that country should lock and how it relates to israel and us are divide. >> how can you want a state if the majority of your financing comes from elsewhere? you continue to arm terrorist groups, and you respect none of the agreements that you reach and you just want to highjack an airborne over the negotiations between and you south carolina o the u.n. where their record on israel is i go nothing but a joke, it's embarrassing. when you don't even have a starting point, how can you talk about it as a state. >> i think you can talk about it as a tboal, as an objective. i think most israelis would like to separate. from the palestinians. don't want a one state solution. they want a separate state. whether or not the palestinians have met the prerequisites for statehood is a good question because as you just said, the economy doesn't make it. they survive on foreign aid. they don't really control the territory which

stronger motivation to kidnap israeli soldiers, it's also they that they still strengthen ham with fatah and abu mazen and this is not a good thing at all. >> rose: what about palestinian statehood? does that make that more likely or less likely? >> palestinian statehood is unavoidable whether if we take another six monthsr another six years it will come i believe strongly in the two-state solution because there's simply no alternative. there are six million jews in israel. there are four and a half million palestinians in palestine. no one is goin to walk away. they cannot share the same country because they are not one happy family. they are not one, happy or even family. they are two unhappy families so the house has to be divided into two smaller apartments. i think it's called an english death house. >> that's exactly right. it is also, you have written, don't think there that there is an issue that israelis and pastinians need to get to know each other. they know each oth, they just want the same things. >> wl, it's not a misunderstanding. the israeli/palestinian conflict is not ab

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the main lesson is that you can target these guys, as we did in yemen, as we did in the fatah, we canve way, using a smaller and more effective force. >> and i know obviously referring there to drones, i want to ask you about that in a moment. but first the super committee obviously charged with significant debt reduction by november. let's just say they don't hit their target, and you are forced to cut $1.1 trillion, $1.2 trillion, double what you have agreed to. over ten years. so it sounds huge. but if you actually look at it, and i did, it's about 15% or so of your budget over that time. eisenhower cut defense by 30-so percent. reagan cut the defense budget by 35%. in that context it actually looks like maybe you could cut $1.2 trillion. crazy? >> i think, you know, the american people have to make a decision whether they want to hollow out the force. after world war i, after world war ii, after the korean war, after vietnam, after the iron curtain came down, the bottom line is, you know, we cut. cut defense. but the result was we hollowed out the force. what does that mean? we we

there are two palestines, west bank and gaza, fatah and hamas. abbas cannot negotiate successfully if he were to reach such an agreement, hamas would assassinate him and he knows that. those are four key realities and part of the last one about no real prospect, you have the cumulative effect of incitement on the palestinian and arab side. one of the speakers in the previous panel noted there is no major public dialogue on the palestinian side about the necessary compromises and agreements whether it is right of return war borders or security or jerusalem that would be prerequisite for reaching a final status agreement. that debate is rich and very vocal on the israeli side. if those other four principal realities what is next? first, u.s. needs in its policy tour of the region to emphasize not only democracy in terms of the arab spring but liberty and of the rule of law which are essential rather than democracy leading to mob rule and the kinds of things you see in some of the post arab spring situations evolving in egypt and elsewhere. not only

. >> gregg: it was september 25th, a drone strike that took out shake fatah. in august another drone strike took out number two in command and back in may, american special forces storming a compound in pakistan killing osama bin laden. >> gregg: despite the defeat of the jobs bill. president continuing to push his nearly $450 billion bill breaking into pieces if necessary. today president obama using detroit one of the most economically depressed areas in the country as the backdrop for his weekly address but will he be able to find bipartisan support or will it be dead in water. can charlie, good to see you. president says i'm going travel the country telling lawmakers do your job, vote in favor of my economic proposals. given the fact that his job plan already died in the senate this week, is the president governing or campaigning, charlie? >> i think it's a great point, gregg. i think absolutely he is campaigning. i think everybody is campaigning right now. of course, when he blames republicans for killing the jobs plan or not voting on it or whatever, he

an things that contradicted its own policies, especially in 2006 when it pressured israel and even fatah to allow hamas to take part in the gaza elections. it took similar positions about lebanese elections involving hezbollah, and those contradict the point about protecting democracy, not just popular sovereignty but liberty and the rule of law. that was a serious misstep with damaging consequences. the other thing to recognize, and this is a political process. i think for a variety of reasons, one of which is they need to keep the american public on board, foreign leaders on board, even more pragmatic elements in the region, you need to be seen to be engaging in efforts at peace and efforts at negotiation, or as churchill once said, better draw draw than war war. the other part of it is, it isn't so much an issue of palestinian leadership right now, although it's critical because you have to palestine, but also the underlying fundamentals which i already pointed you at the beginning of my remarks, which is why i think for the immediate future there is no prospect of reaching the final

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