that's the challenge that we're fatesing. -- we're facing. >> just to add a few points, china consciously set out to build the largest steel industry in the world. in now, before they entered the w.t.o., they were producing about 100 million tons of steel a year, so was the united states. they now have the capacity to produce about 16 times that, about 1.6 billion tons of steel. china is now the largest exporters of steel in the world and yet very few of those exports come directly to the united states because our trade bar has been very effective at taking unfairly traded steel out of our market. but that's part of the reason it's showing up in places like korea and japan. they're willing to import that dumped and subsidized steel, turn it into downstream products and ship the downstream products to us. it has a pernicious effect on trade. it's in the just about trade in steel and alum numb. the other point that i would ke about the chinese is that they are consciously attempting to, this was a result of a five-year plan. and they have five-year plans every five years. and they target in