fauaz gerges says this has to be an arab debate and arabs have to push this ideology.la points out, you still arab countries that have reactionary interpretations of islam, very puritan cal interpretations that they have exported. is that changing when you look at -- it's one thing to oppose jihadie terrorist groups. but are they taking on these very puritan cal reactionary views of their religion which exclude non-believers, which exclude foreigners and in a sense, encourage a certain kind of militants. >> we have two human being wakeup calls. one the arab uprising brought by a sense because people were marginalized, excluded, not participants in the decision making process. and two, in isis a radical barbaric radical ideology that's trying to speak on behalf of arabs and muslims when it has nothing to do with them. these are huge wake-up calls into we all need to -- both governments and the general public need to internalize the lessons from. any time we talk exclusionist policies, this is going to be the result. and the arab world does have a responsibility. we cann