one is faunae willis' historic use of them. there are prosecutors who shy away from them, find it uselessly complicated. you don't want to charge something so complicated that a jury doesn't understand it, and in some ways you've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by needlessly complicating a case. but she's shown she knows how to use it, and as you've it's not just for the mafia. it was passed in the late 1960s but it's since been used for gangs, she's used it against teachers. i've seen it used against political machines. and the idea and why it is so useful, it allows you to go after the boss, the person who doesn't get his hands dirty and allows the underlings to do the dirty work. and you can bring together various schemes under one umbrella. the enterprise could be a street gang, the enterprise could be a mob, a political campaign. so it allows you to get everybody participating in that group, as long as you can show that some member of the group agreed that two racketeering activities would be completed, that's wha

fulton county district attorney faunae willis has yet to say whether or not she'll seek indictments in her spalling criminal investigation into donald trump and his allies efforts to subvert the 2020 election. but today one of the grand jurors t in that, she's speakin out. nbc's blayne alexander sat down with herxa this afternoon for h first television interview, and she dropped a whole lot of hints. >> did the grand jury recommend indictments of multiple people? >> yes. i will tell you it's not a short list. i mean we saw 75 people, and there are six pages of the report cut out. >> so we're talking about more than a dozen people? >> i would say that, yes. >> are these recognizable names, names that people would know? >> there are certainly names that you would recognize, yes. there definitely are some names that you'd expect. >> the grand jury forewoman telling nbc news today that a dozen people recommended indicted, a dozen's a lot. and did the grj recommend an indictment against the former president? take a listen. >> did the grand jury recommend an indictment of former president tr

faunae willis. be the closest human right now who's considering indicting the ex-president. tomorrow we'll get a glimpse whether charges for trump stemming from willis' probe could be on the way over his efforts to overturn the election in 2020. he'll release three excerpts of the report from the now completed special grand jury. the sections of the introduction, the conclusion and section 8, that's where the grand jury discusses its concern some witnesses may have lied under oath during their testimony. the names won't be revealed in that section released tomorrow, but judge mcburny did acknowledge the grand jury does name names in the report. he said this, quote, indeed it provided the d.a. with exactly what she requested, the roster of. the statement went further giving this little hint that we could glean something from tomorrow's release. quote, while publication may not be convenient for the pacing of the d.a.'s investigation the compelling public interest in these proceedings and the unquesti

of information like the fact that the special grand jury impanelled by the fulton county d.a., faunae willis, they'd recommended over a dozen indictments. the foreperson made a splash and sparked a debate in the legal community about her potential impropriety. but today we heard from the georgia judge who oversaw that special grand jury and here's what he had to say on the mat. those grand jurors including the forewoman can share some details about their experience. in an interview judge mcburny said they cannot discuss their deliberations, but if an assistant d.a. or a witness is in the grand jury, he told the paper they can talk about what happened. that's not deliberations, that's presentation, and they're not prohibited from talking about that, nor are they prohibited from talking about the fruit of their deliberations, which would be the final report. so judge mcburny essentially communicated that what emily khors said did not compromise the special grand jury's work, and yet to precisely no one's surprise donald trump and his lawyers are not letting that stop them. the former president

you've been the district attorney, you've dealt with high profile cases, you know something of faunae willis and how she operates. what do you think about that pressure, that attention on this process going forward? >> well, i think, again, faunae is a seasoned professional. she like all of us and myself included at the time took an oath to investigate matters and make decisions as it relates to possible crimes in the state of georgia without fear, favor, or affection. and that means that i think she will be able to withstand whatever sort of external pressure because she's focused on her case, her team is focused on her case. they're looking at all the facts. they have left no stone unturned, and i think that's her main focus. she's not going to get caught up in what is happening outside her charging decision. she's obviously aware and made decisions in the past, again, to protect the integrity of her case such as suspending her investigation while the elections were going on last year, but she's laser focused and ensuring if and when she makes decisions to charge defendants or present indi

it's not like faunae willis is off to the races. what should we be expecting in terms of time line? >> so one thing the real grand jury has to investigate everything and hear from the same witnesses, all of that can be read in so you don't have a lot of time for that. i'm hearing about new witnesses being called into that grand jury. so my suspicion is that what she's doing at least is going to have to be ready for when she brings an indictment. for instance there's all sorts of motions that will be made if the former president is charged with change of venue to take the case federally. she's got to prepare for that, to challenge the grand jury to seek minutes of the grand jury. so i can see her really wanting to have all of her ducks in a row that when this is brought all of that is thought through. so it really does remind me in that sense when i was in the special counsel investigation, you know, there's a lot of work that goes into things other than the actual charge and being ready for the court fight that's about to happen. >> oh, i mean unlike anything we've ever seen. speaki

fulton county district attorney faunae willis recently said decisions are imregarding indictments after a special grand jury submitted its recommendations s to her last month. grand juries everywhere. there's a lot of moving parts on multiple fronts. at the federal level there is more than enough for attorney general merrick garland to mull over, the a.g. will ultimately have to make a decision based on the recommendation of the special counsel as to whether charges are warranted in the two trump investigations. and now there is one more thing thatne merrick gar lnld has to think about. john durham, the special counsel appointed by trump's attorney general, bill barr, to investigate the origins of the trump-russia probe, well, john durham is still on the job and he now reports to merrick garland. if you remember the two cases john durham brought to trial ended in acquittals. durham has yet to find any elaborate deep state conspiracy by the intelligence community to discredit trump, but "the new york times" latest reporting on durham, which is a bombshell piece, shows just how much barr

fulton county district attorney faunae willis convened the grand jury may last year and ended it last month. the full report will be made public when she concludes her investigation. there's no precise timetable on that. >> still ahead the latest from ohio where the epa has ordered norfolk southern to cleanup the site of toxic train derailment as the company faces new legal action. >>> plus former president trump has racked up millions in legal bill. we're digging into reporting how exactly he's paying them off. those stories and a check of the weather when we come right back. e weather when we come right back. think he's posting about all that ancient roman coinage? no. he's making real-time money moves with merrill. so no matter what the market's doing, he's ready. and that's... how you collect coins. your money never stops working for you with merrill, a bank of america company. (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network. youso you can do more thanking connect your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's

the fulton county district attorney faunae willis said imminent but that's an illegal interpretation of the word imminent, and we understand that could be days or weeks in saying who she's ready to indict and what charges they might face. so there is no clear time line, but we do believe at some point we'll hear from district attorney willis. she will have charges she wants to file. we don't know against who. we don't know if donald trump will be charged or it will focus on others in trump's orbit, other allies and employees of the trump organization, for example, have also, of course, been investigated as well as that slate of what we now consider the fake electors, those 16 alternate electors that were selected to, again, try to reverse joe biden's win in georgia. so we'll just wait and see what d.a. willis says. again, it could take weeks before we know. >> all right, well, we'll have much more on this in the weeks ahead. i'm certain we'll be speaking to you again soon. i appreciate you starting your day with us, washington correspondent for the atlanta journal tia mitchell, thank

district attorney faunae willis would have to bring indictments on a separate grand jury. unsurprisingly former president trump posted on social media yesterday and suggested the whole process is rigged. meanwhile the special counsel overseeing a criminal investigation of former president trump has issued subpoenas to trump's daughter ivanka and her husband jared kushner. both senior white house aids to testify before a federal grand jury. "the new york times" reports the subpoenas by special counsel jack smith are related to his investigation into the former president's efforts to remain in the white house after losing the 2020 election and in the aftermath of the january 6th election at the capitol. it remains unclear whether the former president will block his daughter and son-in-law from testifying by using executive privilege. trump declined to try to stop ivanka and jared from testifying before the house committee that investigated the january 6th attack. both served in senior roles in the trump white house all four years he was in office. a spokesperson for sfelgs c

now we're waiting for district attorney faunae willis' decision on whether or not to bring charges againsto special counsel jack smith's investigation into trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. it all together amounts to a crushing volume of criminal legal examinations into the ex-president's conduct with one question, will he ever face any charges in any of them? when it comes to bragg's work michael cohen says the d.a.'s team is moving in the right direction. cohen told us last week the case is on the tarmac imminently ready for take off. this is what he said today after leaving the d.a.'s office three hours after going inside. >> once again i continue to remain impressed with the depth of knowledge and the way that they're setting up their information for the future. let me say that i expect to be back here again. >> how soon? >> relatively soon. >> i do want to add that today we think they're getting much closer to finishing their investigation, so we are looking at a lot of progress made today. >> the facts don't look good for the former guy. >> how many times do you expect t