fawaz, for people who follow pakistan, it was, of course, a very busy summer with that crackdown. speak to us about the paradox here. i don't want to oversimplify at all. george w. bush was criticized for smoking out all the terrorists. we want to find them. we want to defeat them and yet. seems the paradox, as i put it, or the tough catch-22 here in pakistan is you bring these guys out, you go after them. when they come back, they come back so furiously, i wonder if some people there are thinking this is not the right strategy. >> well, i think you're raising a very important question. i mean, for your own viewers, there's all out war between the pakistani state and the pakistani taliban militants and their allies. the pakistani taliban, if they lose in chaotic coalition, about 30 groups located mainly in the tribal areas along the afghan/pakistani border. since june pakistani army has launched all out offensive to move out the tribes, mostly northwestern waziristan. according to official sources, more than 1500 taliban fighters have been killed and tens of thousands have been di