with jorge castaneda, fawaz gerges, anne applebaum, and conrad back. k about this ban on several muslim majority countries. an odd collection. it includes iraq, which is supposedly an ally of the united states, and where many people in iraq who work for the american government and the american occupation. but it does not include saudi arabia, of course, where the majority of the hijackers from the terrorists from 9/11 originated. what do you make of it? and what do you think the effect will be in the muslim middle east? >> well, i mean, it's very toxic, fareed. its very poisonous. i mean, if trump does act on his promises, in preventing muslims from as you said several countries from entering the united states. delivering syria on a silver platter to putin. this would inflame anti-american sentiments throughout the world, not just in the muslim world. anger u.s. allies and of course trigger a pilgrim to russia and would unleash tremendous anti-american storms in the middle east. >> conrad, let me ask you about this issue. i am fixated on iraq war one. t

let's get more from fawaz gerges . also still with us is erik nielsen.u're the author of "isis: the history." when you look at what a travel ban could do, does it actually push more people into extreme thinking because they feel left out, or can we not do the correlation? >> any expert on the middle east or isis would tell you the worst thing you can do is to basically provide isis and al qaeda with ideological munition, motivation, and inspiration. the ban against southern countries and iraqi refugees basically is ineffective. it will do more damage than good. it will hardly basically limit the damage any kind of attacks against the united states. it is counterproductive because it plays into the narrative al qaeda and isis. it is foolishly a rational. it alienates public opinion. you do not lump more than one billion muslims with islamic radicalism. it deepens anti-american sentiments in the muslim world if you tell me, what does the ban do? i would say it provides a forive propaganda boost isis and al qaeda. it plays into their hands. ,t is sweet musi