every quarter in washington and representatives from one of the organization's and representatives from fba, willand debt * theifpte assist us on issues. we meet regularly to discuss all kinds of issues. we work in unison, yes. >> you mentioned -- one of your suggestions was to take the immigration judges out of the department of justice and make it independent. it is my understanding that most variousther alj's in agencies that are article one judges remain in their agencies. they are independent and not located in the parent agencies. all the decisions are reviewable by their agency heads. >> that is where immigration judges are different because most administered a plot is complicated and arcane. most administrative law judges make a recommendation to their agency head. immigration judges are different because the decisions that we issue our final decisions if they are not appealed. 90% of the decisions that immigration judges make are not appealed. >> [inaudible] >> they are appealed directly to the board of immigration appeals. we are advocating that both the immigration courts and the

we tried to meet every year from representatives from organizations and with reps from the aba, fba, and at times the ifpte will assist us on issues. we meet regularly to discuss all kinds of issues. yes, we work in unison. >> you mentioned -- one of your suggestions was to take the immigration judges out of the department of justice. it is my ander standing that most of the other hit agencies that are article one judges do remain in the agencies. they are independent, they provide hearings, meaning they are not located in the parent agency. >> that is why immigration judges are different. most administrative law is complicated and a little archaic. most administrative law judges make a recommendation to their agency head. immigration judges are different, because the decisions that the issue are final decisions if they are not appealed. 90% of the decisions that immigration judges make are not appealed. >> [inaudible] >> they are appeal directly to the board of immigration appeals, which is another administrative tribunal. we are advocating that both the immigration courts and the t