i think he's committed to the fbi and making the fbi strong and effective as he possibly can. he has a different approach to leadership than i do, then jim commented and i hope he is successful and is a former fbi agent, he want the organization to be in good hands. >> malik didn't talk enough, comey talked too much. director ray will find himself somewhat in a middle and these times. >> he needs to find that balance, i'm not sure he found it yet but he's only been on the job about a year so we'll see how it goes. >> and it chapter titled enterprise theory, you mention informants. it seems like a reference to chris steele, former officer worked with the fbi and perhaps another informant whose identity was later leaked along with christina. a few things, took a shot at rosenstein, attorney general in this chapter. he say not giving up your people, this is important. it sounds like you are angry that his name leaked and certain information about the oncoming desiccation provided to congress. talk a little bit more fully about what that means and what exactly you're getting at th

you mentioned peter strzok, the foreman fbi agent -- former fbi agent.text messages he wrote, quote: hey, if you haven't closed razor, don't do so. his colleague texted back: it is still open, and i'm still case manager. strzok replied, roger, please keep it open for now adding seventh floor involved, that means the highest levels of the fbi. michael flynn as you know, lou, has been in legal limbo since 2017. he pleaded guilty twice the lying to the fbi but since has withdrawn that plea. he wants his case thrown out. one of the pages of fbi notes obtained by fox news is handwritten, sources tells us, by former head of counterintelligence bill presap. this had one sentence: what's our goal, truth, admission or to get him to lie so we can prosecute if him or get him fire. another one says: if we're seen as playing games, w.h., white house, will be furious. protect our institution by not playing games. president trump, as you mentioned, weighed in on this today from the oval office. listen to this. >> i hear there's a lot of other stuff coming out. if i bel

he knew how to play the fbi. he came out with a story about someone trying to sell stinger missiles on the bloack market. that turned out not to be true. my investigation of what happened, including talking to the people who started it, is that it was a total wash. the informant was not reliable. it gave them nothing of any substance. there are people who believe that somehow it was this all encompassing investigation by the fbi into the radical far right and points to some kind of secret knowledge that they had of the bombing before it occurred. i found no evidence to suggest that whatsoever. if there's no more questions, i thank you very much. i'm going to be signing books. appreciate you listening. >> thank you. >> all the best. [ applause ] >>> you are watching a special edition of american history tv during the week wh. tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern, we will tour an exhibit of the u.s. holocaust memorial museum. american history tv, now and over the weekend on c-span3. >>> every saturday night, american histo

he knew how to play the fbi. he came up with a story about somebody selling missiles on the black market, the fbi looked into that end it turned out not to be true. my investigation of what happened, including talking to people who started the investigation, is that it was a total wash. the informant was not reliable and it had no substance. there are people who believe patcom was this all-encompassing investigation by the fbi into the far-right, and point to some kind of secret knowledge of the bombing before they occurred. i found no evidence whatsoever. if there are no more questions, i thank you very much. i am going to be signing looks. i appreciate you listening. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2020] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] theory bookshelf features country's best known history writers of the past decade talking about their books watch our weekly sound -- weekly seri

i think that he's committed to the fbi and making the fbi strong and effective as they possibly can. he has a different approach to leadership i think and i do, certainly better than jim comey did and so i hope that he is successful and he wants the organization to be in good hands and there's no reason to believe they are not. >> host: they said mueller didn't talk enough and comey talked too much. the director is going to find out somewhere in the middle in these perilous times. >> guest: i think that security needs to find that balance. i'm not sure that he's found it yet. he's only been on the job for about a year so we'll see how that goes. the chapter titled enterprise theory you mentioned informants and it seems like a reference to chris steele the former officer that work worked with the fbi ad perhaps another informant whose identity was leaked with chris steele. you seem to take a shot at the deputy attorney general in the chapter. you said this is important. it seems like you were angry it leaked into certain information was provided to the congress. talk a little bit more

we are concerned about the fbi that we call sensitive information. like a criminal case maybe it's not classified the identity or informant but it is highly sensitive to talk about that person in a way that identifies them to put them in danger or jeopardize their relatives and families. so i made a concerted effort to put material like that in the book and then i went to an extensive process with the fbi through prepublication review who went over everything in the book and a robust exchange about what i could include what they wanted me to take out spirit did they push back on publicly open source material? >> the way the process work works, they do an initial review of the manuscript to highlight everything they think is sensitive or classified and say we should consider redacting these things but then you have the opportunity to say but this paragraph that you redacted on page number 25 here is where you can see it has been publicly acknowledged by some government official or an element of a government and published an open source material. once

i'm not here to sell you the fbi doesn't know what they're doing because i don't know what the fbi is doing. not an agency that is forthcoming with operational decision making. i do think there are very legitimate questions. have the lessons of what went wrong been articulated, learned, has 9/11 been fully appreciated? are we now ready to face future threats? i can certainly tell you that restriction on intelligence gathering has been lifted. there are potential abuses involved in lifting it which is why there were imposed the fees bus. the fbi can no longer say we are not pointing investigate because we are not allowed to that is gone. there are other things that are still negative. the fbi and atf still hate each other. they're both in the justice department. the atf used to be of the treasury. when the atf was involved in the scandal of walking guns over the border into mexico, fast and furious, of the fbi guys i talked to were feeling caught literally smoke coming out of their ears said these people are irresponsible, borderline criminal. nothing has changed in that respect. outsi

he will be taken into custody by the fbi. searches are being planned and executed at several locations around the country this afternoon. i remind everyone that john doe number two remains at large. he should be considered armed and extremely dangerous. there is a strong likelihood that other persons are involved in this tragedy as well.

elizabeth: so the newly-released hand written notes from unnamed senior fbi official show fbi beige cents debating quote what is our goal, truth/admission or get him, michael flynn to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired. legal experts say this should send chills down everyone's spines, that the inside the fbi, the attitude was, there is violations by the trump campaign. the russian probe was underway. there was a push to do something about it. but you know we talked to legal experts, if you strip away all the names and, you know they're saying this is really constitutional problem what the fish by officials are doing now. the notes also read, quote if we're seen as playing games, the white house will be furious, protect our institution by not playing games. so they're riley striking, stunning in these notes. >> yes. they went right about ignoring the advice not to play games. that is exactly what they did because they had a meeting in which they decided purposely to keep him relaxed and unguarded, to not even mention the admittedly recognized requirement of at least mentioning a

but the fbi aggressively advanced the probe anyway. us tonight, one of the country's leading investigative journalists, john solomon. editor-in-chief his new media outlook, just the "america's news headquarters." just -- just just the news. we keep learning more and more about how corrupt the fbi and the justice department were. it's just absurd that we are still waiting for someone to be held accountable at the top of both of those organizations here in 2020. >> you are so right, lou. you can understand why attorney general barr said yesterday there was no basis to even open this investigation. we now know the fbi knew that christopher steele was paid for and working for the hillary clinton campaign. they knew he leaked to the media in violation of his contract. they knew he was desperate to defeat trump and the information in the dossier was unverified and in some cases debunked. we know today that in 2015 the fbi knew christopher steele may have been the target of russian disinformation. and before we get robert mueller we find out

it's pretty clear what the fbi protocol was. >> the emails back and forth are lisa page, top fbi lawyer confesses that she doesn't even know what the protocol and rules are. and then, you know, peter strzok responds well, i'm 90% sure we can do this. this is beavis and but th butt d with malice. these knuckle heads don't even know their own rules not that they would ever care about that. ainsley: can he change his plea now he was pleading guilty. steve: withdrawal. >> it's up to judge emit sullivan. given all these exculpatory documents it, seems inevitable to me that he must, in the interest of justice, allow flynn to withdraw his plea to order -- to vacate the plea. and then the department of justice has to dismiss the case against flynn. the moment that happens, i would predict that flynn would file a lawsuit against not just members of robert mueller's team but people like comey and mccabe and peter strzok and ladies ande for abuse of power and for, you know, things like obstruction of justice and so forth. they deprived him of his constitutional rights. brian: defamation. >> under

the fbi has established a command post in oklahoma city and it is in 24-hour contact with fbi headquarters command post and with the department of justice. four fbi special agents in charge have been dispatched to the scene to provide 24-hour operation of the command post. the fbi has sent four evidence response teams and explosive ordinance teams to oklahoma city. five of the very best fbi agents experienced in this type of investigation are arriving in oklahoma city as have bomb technicians from boston, chicago, miami, san francisco and los angeles. 13 members of the rapid start team will be entering data as the evidence is collected. 50 more agents are available for arrival tomorrow and more will be used as needed. the fbi and federal law enforcement have received superb cooperation from local authorities in oklahoma city. and the federal law enforcement agencies are working together. the atf has sent two national response teams and a mobile command center. it has three explosive technicians and three laboratory technicians in oklahoma city. and it is prepared to send 20 to 25 more pers

isis that the fbi's role? at this. in an email, peter strzok and his fbi lover lisa page, they discussed how to slip in an admonition about lying under oath in order to set a stronger perjury trap. these agents were preparing for an interview that ultimately did take place on january the 24th, 2017. dave four of the trump administration. truth be told, it was an ambush, a ow legal dell make an illegal or abuse of power you don't need to have an attorney present for the interview. atthat would have been a miranda rights violation. four days after president trump's inauguration, they visited the white house and were there to interrogate flynn. they were sent by jim comey himself. james comey bragging, he sent the agents to grill flynn just four days in the administration, he wanted to exploit the chaos inside the transitioning white house. something he would never do in the bush or obama administration's or get away with. ultimately that perjury trap was not p a success. agents saw no indication at all that the national

that i'm providing to the fbi.should have been a red flag. instead it was stuck under a chair and hidden from the american public and from the courts for a long time. lou: and what do you make of christopher steele's statement point-blank that his notes on sources, his documents, the view -- if you can call it that, if it was that -- were wiped away, simply disappeared in january of 2017? >> yeah. they were erased, very much like the clinton hard drives in the e-mail case. it's unusual for an intelligence asset, particularly one who was working with the fbi, to suddenly destroy all of his evidence while the investigation he prompted was still ongoing. normally you would preserve that evidence. so most -- by his own testimony, it's gone, right? and so we don't know exactly, you know, what did people tell him about susan rice's knowledge? those written notes are gone, and now all we have are christopher steele's recollection. his recollection was when he was directed to go to the state department, he was told that su

flynn has been in limbo after initially pleading guilty to lying to the fbi. we go straight to the final page. this is the formal head -- after meeting with him, fbi director james comey and andrew mccabe this jumps out. what is our goal? to get him to live so he can prosecute him or get him fired? another sentence, if we are seen as playing games the white house will be furious, protect their institution by not playing games. now flynn's attorney is reacting. >> devastating evidence of the lengths they were willing to go to just disregard all prior protocols. they had only special violations of every protocol known for him because they were determined to take him out. abusing their authority at every turn. >> reporter: the documents shedding more light on flynn's interviewing agents peter struck and lisa page with whom he was romantically involved, they talked about how to discuss that flynn interview. william barr overseeing the investigation into the handling of the flynn case, lindsey graham wants to know more. >> general flynn deserved better from his gov

it is at the fbi's role? at this, in a email peter strzok and his fbi lover lisa page discuss how to casually slip in an admonition about lying under oath in order to set a perjury trap. these agents were preparing for an interview that ultimately did take place on january 24th, 2017. they warned the trump administration, truth be told it was an ambush. a legal abuse of power. during the phone call it was mccabe who recommended to flynn, you don't need to have an attorney during the interview, that would have been a miranda rights violation. four days after president trump's inauguration, peter strzok and one other agent visited the white house and they were there to interrogate flynn. they were sent by jim comey himself. james comey bragging, he sent the agents to grill him for two days. he wanted to exploit the chaos inside the transitioning white house. something he would never do in the bush or obama administration's come or get away with. ultimately that perjury trap was not a success. agents are no indi

the fbi has been leading the investigation through the command center at fbi headquarters in consultation with department of justice attorneys here and in u.s. attorneys offices across the country. the fbi has established command centers in oklahoma and locations around the country. been avestigation has model of law enforcement cooperation. commend the treasury department and its law enforcement agencies, the atf, secret service. i would also like to commend the department of defense, the federal emergency management agency, and the immigration and naturalization service, for their outstanding efforts. their workforce has been magnificent. the outpouring of support and assistance from state and local authorities has just been tremendous, and we would especially like to thank local authorities and state authorities who have worked around-the-clock on this effort. ' support andrities assistance has also been of great meaning to us. i am most grateful to all americans who have provided leads and information about this investigation. i urge people with any information to contact the nearest

histories,on oral recorded by the fbi, with special agents, investigators, a survivor and others from the 1995 oklahoma city bombing. here is a preview. there as early as i hadd that morning, and i the cruise pictures from my vacation, i had them all there and i was going to share all of those with these gals when we met that morning. so we didn't get started on this meeting until 8:20 that morning. and i would turn around and look at my computer screen at the next item we were to discuss, and i reared back in my chair and let them chat about who is going to copy this, do this, get this ready for the banking department so they could hurry with their audit. i just turned around in my chair and reared back, getting ready to discuss the next item, when the bomb went off. and it had to be longer, but it was just like seconds. all the girls that was in the office with me disappeared. and i thought they had ran out and left me alone. and i started hollering, where are you guys, where are you guys? and then the realization set in realized, id i don't know where they are. they are gone. >> fi

he will be taken into custody by the fbi. searches are being planned and executed at several locations around the country this afternoon. i remind everyone that john doe number two remains at large. people should not attempt to take any action against john doe number two or anyone else involved in this matter. but we continue to urge anyone with information to call 1-800-905-1514. i have been in communication with the fbi director. the fbi has been leading this investigation through the command center at fbi headquarters in close consultation with the department of justice's attorneys here and in u.s. attorney offices across the country. the fbi has also established command centers in oklahoma and other locations around the country. this investigation has been true lei model of law enforcement keeping. i commend the treasury department and its law enforcement agencies, the atf, secret service. i would also like to commend the department of defense, the federal emergency management agency and the immigration and naturalization

the fbi had something right.re was a campaign taking russian if and trying to influence the election. it just wasn't donald trump's campaign. it was hillary clinton with christopher steele and his russian informants. one of the documents that are still sitting out there unchallenged, the intelligence assessment. our intelligence community said the russians were trying to help trump win and hillary lose. that does not appear to be the case from the new body of evidence. lou: i think it's been clear for a long time. this is evidence supporting what we already knew in my judgment. i think it american people are just tired of getting shined on with pablum. thank you, john solomon. thanks. up next the naval ship come sport expanding its reach for treating patients with the wuhan virus. we'll stalk with the man who commands the ship when we come back. back. stay with us. in these uncertain times, look after yourself, your family, your friends. but know when it comes to your finances, we are here for you. what can i do

the fbi notes that suggestions that right-wing fbi and cia acts had huge reason to murder marilyn monroe. >> the bureau actually end up commenting that in another context mailer said i don't have any evidence about this. >> the fbi with reports that mailer coined a new word. factoid. >> norman mailer uses a common rhetorical device where he goes through a long explanation and detail which plants in the mind of the reader that this is exactly what happened. then at the very end he discounts it. but that's not what the reader remembers. what the reader remembers is all the detail. he's speculating on the whole matter. the fbi said we are going to ignore this. >> under intense scrutiny his story began to change. >> i think there is a motive to be murdered. it's not based oafned. it's my opinion. >> but the backtracking did little to quell the storm he helped perpetuate. >> you have to think about the culture at the time. you have watergate and a lot of distrust in the government. these types of stories could have been plausible. >> marilyn is no different than the assassination of bobby ken

the fbi desperate to do something.s what the fbi said to me when they interviewed and really interrogated me. first of all, they are implications. that's exactly what they said to flynn. and they take the files like they did with general flynn in the white house interview when the fbi agents went and they have the transcript sitting in front of him. if you get something wrong, he's obviously lying. it's honestly a lie and perjury. >> before i let you go, do you think -- the president has sort of suggested in the sound bite that we played, he has a different effect. >> i don't thick it has to go that far. the judge should exonerate them. and get those people who decided they were going to undo an election result that they didn't like by going after a president and hold them accountable. and by the way make them pay for their own legal expenses. it's cost general flynn millions of dollars to defend himself. it's cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars and a lot of other people that kind of money. maybe the people who ab

the fbi notes that suggestions that right-wing fbi and cia acts had huge reason to murder marilyn monroe. >> the bureau actually end up commenting that in another context mailer said i don't have any evidence about this. >> the fbi with reports that mailer coined a new word. factoid. >> norman mailer uses a common rhetorical device where he goes through a long explanation and detail which plants in the mind of the reader that this is exactly what happened. then at the very end he discounts it. but that's not what the reader remembers. what the reader remembers is all the detail. he's speculating on the whole matter. the fbi said we are going to ignore this. >> under intense scrutiny his story began to change. >> i think there is a motive to be murdered. it's not based oafned. it's my opinion. >> but the backtracking did little to quell the storm he helped perpetuate. >> you have to think about the culture at the time. you have watergate and a lot of distrust in the government. these types of stories could have been plausible. >> marilyn is no different than the assassination of bobby ken

by the fbi. >> we were open until 5:00 every day. the credit union was a place everybody could go in there. the credit union and the snack bar. so we were constantly inundated with people coming into visit or drawing a little money for lunch or apply for a loan. everybody was at the credit union. i got there as early as i could that morning and i had my vacation pictures from the week before. i was going to share those with these gals. we did not get started on this meeting until about 8:20. i would turn around and look at my computer screen at the next item we were to discuss. i leaned back in my chair and let them discuss who was going to copy this or get this ready so they could hurry with their audit. i turned around in my chair and kind of rared back to discuss the next item, when the bomb went off. it had to be longer but it was like seconds. all of the girls in the office with me had disappeared. i felt they had ran out and left me alone. i started hollering, where are you guys? then a realization set in somewhat. i realized t

framed by the fbi. rob: shocking documents revealing a perjury trap by the bureau's top officials looking to fire michael flynn and get him to lie. jillian: griff jenkins with details on the unsealed handwritten notes. this is big. >> reporter: it is. it is raising questions about the true motivations of the fbi during flynn's 2007 interview which led to his guilty plea. document suggest their end game was prosecuting him or ending his career on the final page of handwritten notes taken by fox news the former counterintelligence department, after a meeting with james comey and deputy director andrew mccabe wrote this, quote, what is our goal? truth? were to get him to lie so we can prosecute them or get them fired? another one, if we are seen as playing games the white house will be furious, protect their institution by not playing games. flynn has been seeking to have this case thrown out. nelson's attorney sidney powell is reacting. >> reporter: devastating evidence of the length they were willing to

eastern on directords, former fbi andrew mccabe with his book "the threat -- how the fbi protects america in a time of terror and from." corrosivecern was the impact that these false narratives about the fbi, the corrosive impact those narratives were having on the people of the fbi and their ability to do their work. and it felt like if people understood more about the we are, how -- who we work, what kind of people are drawn to the fbi and how we made the decisions that we did based on specific legal authorities and policies given to us by the department of justice. this weekfter words and on book tv on c-span2. next, president trump signing a $484 billion emergency coronavirus relief package. the legislation replenishes the fund for small businesses and since additional aid to hospitals. he was joined members of his cabinet and republican greg -- republican congressional leaders. -- weare gathered today are grateful to be joined by vice president mike pence and also with us our secretary steve mnuchin come senators roy blunt, john curran, dan sullivan as well as kevin mccarthy

donald trump days into his presidency, the fbi director send in fbi agents, they preplanned this, wanted to get him fired, prosecute him, do anything they could to take him out. doesn't get worse than that? a newly minted national security adviser, a 3 star general, someone who served the country for decades and they are out there to take them down and they did and they accomplished what they were trying to do. they did it surreptitiously and when flynn's attorneys wanted to seize documents for discovery they had them, wouldn't make them happen. only attorney general william barr was able to unearth them and flynn hasn't been able to have these documents for years but they are obviously very important. shannon: to remind people you mentioned the attorney general, he tasked the flynn case, looking through these things, so many development and flynn has changed the legal team, sidney powell on hannity earlier tonight, a lot of things have changed, turned around the case for him but important to remember he did plead guilty more than once. andrew mccarthy writes flynn has no one to blame bu

and i even told the fbi agent once. i said, "you know, if we don't find this pretty quick, there won't be any money left at the rate that she's going." >> narrator: when "american greed" returns... the fbi is ready to make an arrest. >> i said, "these three gentlemen would like to talk with you. >> she said, "sure," and her face never changed emotion or anything. i was watching that carefully to see how she would react, and it was just, like, real nonchalant. >> narrator: feeling greedy? want more than your share of behind-the-scene dirt? follow us at americangreedtv on twitter. follow us at americangreedtv on twitter. we'll be right back. >> narrator: finally, in the spring of 2012, mayor burke is told that the fbi is ready to make an arrest. early in the morning on april 17th, crundwell walks into mayor burke's office and finds three fbi agents waiting. >> yeah, i said, "these three gentlemen would like to talk with you." she said, "sure." and the -- her face never changed emotion or anything. i was watching that care

judge kavanaugh has not asked to have the fbi review of these claims.at the action of an innocent person? it is not. to try to treat this properly and try to confirm, confer judge kavanaugh tells women that they are once again not important and not to be believ believed. >> i believe her because she's telling the truth. >> tucker: has there ever been in the last 245 years a dumber person to serve from the united states senate? probably not. her argument was brett kavanaugh has not demanded that the fbi forensically go through his entire life? he doesn't appear to trust the fbi. finally, he she got a chance to respond. even if you haven't already seen this coming we can already guess what her response was. >> she has come forward and spoken, done investigation in several outlets. that's an investigation vice president has called for himself and vice president biden has vehemently denied these allegations and i support vice president biden. >> tucker: has joe biden begged of the fbi to take a look at his personal life over the next 50 years? that's no lon

they also discussed steps taken by the fbi in investigating the bombing. attorney general reno: director freeh and i have just spoken with the president. i'm pleased to announce one of the individuals believed to be responsible for wednesday's attack in oklahoma city has been arrested. timothy mcveigh, age 27, whom we previously called john doe number one, the man with a light brown crew, was arrested by local authorities on a traffic

this is according to fbi documents.ow independent medications but a couple of different document talk about this. it's interesting, red army faction which definitely was more lethal certainly in the 1980s, but also a tiny band of people who were alienated from even the extreme left of german politics. i mean, people on the far left did want anything to with these crazes and it was the same deal with the may 19. 19th. may 19 in the intro documents kind of bitching and moaning periodically about how the left-wing groups is now sporting event and not getting behind it and what about our prisoners. so the thing i found sort of amusing is the red army faction people came over and they apparently had a couple of sessions, and the r.a.f. giveaway very unimpressed with may 19 command, that their understanding of theory and practice was certainly subpar by the high standards that the r.a.f. set. so i think in less the art of the questions, unless there are other questions will bring this to a close. i want to thank you all for c

information was reported back to the fbi about flynn." from a broader investigation to an alleged involvement with the trump campaign. he's been in legal limbo since being charged with lying to the fbi in 2017. he pled guilty twice but his work verse and chorus. president trump has not directly said whether he would pardon flynn but was asked about it today. >> president trump: i think you will be fully exonerated one way or the other and certainly he would be capable of coming back. he suffered greatly. >> the white house interview completely ignored protocol which would normally require forming the white house counsel's office. former fbi director james comey made the call to move forward with the interview. >> i sent them something i probably wouldn't have done or had gotten away with in a more organized investigation or more organized administration. >> call me and the current member of the fbi are not documenting. bill barr reexam of the flynn case. >> bret: david, thanks. more on this with the panel. thank you for your time. you've

judge kavanaugh has not asked to have the fbi review these claims.the reaction of an innocent person? it is not. to refuse to treat this properly and to try to confirm judge kavanaugh at any cost tells women that once again they are not important and they are not to be believed. i believe her. because she's telling the truth. >> tucker: has there ever been in the last 235 euros a dumber person to45 serve in the united states senate? probably not. her argument was brett kavanaugh has not demanded that the fbi forensically go through his entire life. he doesn't appear to trust the fbi. therefore, he must be guilty, no trial needed. yesterday, she got her chance to respond to the allegation, credible allegations, that tara reade is made against joe biden. even if you haven't already seen this, we bet you can guess what her response was. >> she has come forward, she has spoken, and they've done an c investigation in several outle outlets. those investigations, vice president biden has called for himself. vice president biden has vehemently denied these a

donald trump is days into his presidency, the fbi director sends in his fbi agents. they have preplanned this. they wanted to take him down, get him fired, prosecute them, do anything they could to take him out. i mean, does it get any worse than that? the newly minted national security advisor, a three-star general, somebody who has been served -- served this country for decades and they're out there to take him down, and they did, and they accomplished what they were trying to do. they did it surreptitiously and then when the flynn attorney wanted to see his documents their discovery, they hid them. they wouldn't make them happen. only attorney general barr was able to unearth them and flynn hasn't been able to have these documents for years, but they're obviously very important. >> shannon: yeah, and to remind people, you mentioned the attorney general, he passed u.s. attorney jeff johnson with going back to this case and looking through these things. there have been so many developments and flynn has changed the legal team, sidney powell, she was on hannity earli

the fbi had every reason to focus in on him. so, the next five years of my life was basically two or three things going on. one, chuckie and i became like this. i came to revere him as an extra night father. i came to read your teamsters union in his union identity. i came to revere those that he was close with. you may have heard of anthony and tony, the new jersey mobster. i spent a lot of time at their house. and i believe my stepfather when he told me that it really didn'h exist. i just kind of botched thehe whe thing. this isn't the same tim is at ti was hanging out with these folks and we were very close. the government was all over him basically painted in the press as the guy who did it and it's conventional wisdom that he was the person who drove him to his death. if you type in chuckie o'brien and jimmy hoffa into google, you will find the person who did it, who w picked him up. so, i go to college in 1980 coming in over the next six or seven years i start to rethink. .. >> and i used to revel in his the value started

in the fbi.ry close with some of the early fbi agents the four original fbi agents on the case.in the early 30s, the man who originally accused chucky of doing this we became friends. we spent 12 sessions together, hours and hours and hours talking about the case going over the evidence. they'd never stop obsessing about it. no one is ever worked on this case has never stopped obsessing about it.none of the fbi agents have stopped assessing about it.they still talk about it, there still involved in trying to solve the mystery. i also learned about a pretty extraordinary law-enforcement abuses. the government did not treat chucky well. chucky was a man who was not an angel. definitely not an angel. there were good reasons i say for the government to spectrum. it turns out the public narrative and didn't match up at all with what the government knew inside. they were constantly exaggerating in the press through leaks. the evidence they had against him to try to get him to talk they were constantly

federal agencies knew our coordination was going and through fbi.e had a personal relationship. we had a working relationship. it made it extremely easy for us to accomplish. the same with chief morris. we got together in the oklahoma city motor home about 10:45 so iv:50 that morning along with our mayor and established some guidelines, areas of responsibility, set up sometimes to go public and have our first press conference, and from there things fell in place pretty well. >> paul, we're not ignourg. a lot of people may not realize an operation of this magnitude from the discussions we had here calls for a lot more players than the initial emergency responders, fire, police and ems. paul, let's talk a little bit about what oklahoma city public works did providing portable toilet, barricades. what was your initial -- when did you get the initial call and what transparent first things your organization did? >> our first response as some of my supervisors were there within minutes after the bomb went off. they utilized their pickup to take the walkin

what were you looking for from the fbi? gonzales: the murrah building housed 19 federal agents, some of them federal law enforcement. the secret service was there. atf. it was important for us to establish immediately that the fbi was going to be the lead federal agency that was going to do the investigation and make sure that the other agencies knew that our coordination was going to be with and through the fbi. as bob has said, we have a personal relationship, we have a working relationship. and it made it extremely easy to accomplish these. the same with chief marrs. we got together in oklahoma city motorhome at about 10:45 or 10:50 along with our mayor and established some guidelines, areas of responsibility, some times to go public and have our first press conference. and from there, things seemed to fall in place pretty well. ken: paul, we are not ignoring you on the end here. but a lot of people may not realize that an operation of this magnitude from the discussions we've had here calls for a lot more players than j

the fbi knew, the fbi was working with the russians directly and indirectly.wanted to work with the clinton campaign on this. they knew steele was possibly using russian sources. either way the fbi was happy to work with steele directly on this. you have the obama fbi, the clinton campaign, and it looks like perhaps russian intelligence in a joint operation not only the candidate, the president-elect, but then the president of the united states. sedition that needs to be prosecuted. if this justice department can't figure out how to do it. the president should appoint a special counsel separate and apart to do it. lou: the idea we would have more investigations is sickening to me. i'm not saying you are wrong. or that it would be wrong to do so. i am just saying september, 2016. we are talking bm four years ago. this is no accident it has been drawn out and the clock has been ticking throughout all of this. this has been a concerted effort. in that concert i don't doubt for a minute there is almost as' rinos working as there are radical dimms on capitol hill w