this was a hijacking of the fbi. and again, in respect, giving respect to the inspector general conclusion of no bias, it is tlaer there was bias. paid by former director comey. they hald a personal anamous against the president. >> i know a lot of great fbi agent that's are embarrassed the way they handled this. if i did as a line agent what james comey did as a leader i would have and should have been fired. they seem to be held to a different account. i think i know your answer on this but i want to get clarification. there is an investigation on president trump, at that time candidate trump, and for the most part it was done by the book, was it word. for a lot of us were shocked and it was by the book, would you agree with those statements? >> i would not be proud of "cross fire hurricane." no, this was not done by the book. the fbi cannot walk without adequate predication to interview a u.s. citizen. and we should all be concerned and vigilant that the fbi adheres to those policy guidelines. i think this is part

i do not speak on behalf of the fbi or any current or former fbi employee, only myself . i have however received f abundant and overwhelmingly feedback from current and former personnel with concern for the future of the fbi. let me be as clear as possible. the disgraced former fbi executives never should have opened the crossfire hurricane investigation. they did not despite the doj and inspector general's comments to the contrary have adequate education for starting an intrusive investigation of us citizens. the fbi document that opened the crossfire hurricane investigation violated attorney generalguidelines . it contained no medication that experienced and knowledgeable counterintelligence statement would be deemed an adequate start to an investigation and in fact the document contain an exculpatory statements that should have killed any lingering insistence to proceed further. the inspector general's assertion is based on his interviews with the crossfire hurricane asteam who not surprisingly claimed they had sufficient reasons for investigating the trump campaign. i

duplicity of these disgraced former fbi leaders many americans have lost trust and faith in the fbi, perhaps that is the greatest wreckage of this entire debacle. the trust has been eroded. the shameless former fbi executives collect significant sums of money from book royalties, media appearances, teaching gigs and gofundme scams. americans would like to see accountability but hope wanes. the efforts of this committee to shed light is welcome and commendable. perhaps it will at least help prevent something like crossfire hurricane from ever happening again to any american or future presidential nominee. >> thank you, mr. brock. our final witness is mr. lee smith. mr. smith has worked in the press for more than 30 years. writing on foreign policy, national security and media. he has written for the "new york times," "the washington post," "the wall street journal," the new yorker, among other publications. mr. smith has authored several books on politics in the middle east. mr. smith? >> thank you very much, chairman johnson and ranking member peters, thank you for the invitation to

this is not the fbi i knew or worked in those at work tirelessly every day so that the fbi exist. this was a hijacking of the fbi with respect to the inspector general's conclusion , it is clear there was bias involved with those text messages written by peter strack and lisa page and clear of the statements for former director comey and deputy director mccabe that they held the personal animus toward the president there is no dispute on that. so this investigation was a malicious undertaking. >> i know a lot of great fbi agents that were frustrated and disappointed and quite frankly embarrassed for how leadershipw handle these investigations. the statement over and over as a line agent did with jones on - - james comey did i would have and should have been fired. but they seem to be held to a different account. i think i know your answer but i want clarification. james comey said before the judiciary he was proud of the work done by crossfire hurricane on president trump at that time kennedy trump for the most part it was done by the book was his iti word for a lot of us we were

i do not speak on behalf ofhe fbi nor any current or former fbi employee, only myself. i have however received andant and overwhelmingly positive feedback from current and former fbi personnel concerned withhe future of the fbi. let me be as clear as possible. these disgrac former fbi executives never should have opened the crossfire hricane investigation. they did nothe, despitehe doj inspector general subsequent comments to theontrary, have adequate predication for starting an intrusive inveigation of u.s. citizens. i document that open the crossfire hurricane investigation violated the attorney general guidelis and contained no predication that an experienced an knowledgeable fbi counterintelligence agents would deem adequate to sta an investigation. in fact, the document contain exculpatory statements that should have chilled any lingering proceeding further pretty expect her general's assertion i based solely on his interviews of the crossfire rricane team who, not surprisingly, claimed they have sufficient reasons for investigating the tmp campaign but i respectfu

and the fbi had a big problem after the assassination -- because it turned out the fbi had lee harvey oswald under surveillance. and at times, very aggressive surveillance before the assassination. it became important to jay edgar hoover, who was a force unto himself in that era, to prove that office walt was a lone wolf, that he carried out this is fascination alone, nobody else knew about it, there was no conspiracy. certainly no conspiracy that the fbi could have foiled. he seems determined to prove that, regardless with the facts show. >> this is a model used by the warren commission. >> right, i think this model now exists at a museum that used to be the texas depository, but it was used here in the offices to make it easy for people to understand the sequence of events in dealer plaza. you will see small models of cars to indicate where the president's limousine and the other cars in the motorcade. this is arlen specter. at the time, an assistant to strict attorney of philadelphia given temporarily to the warren commission. he is often referred to as the father of the single bul

eastern for the fbi to give an update.k meredith is traveling with the president in west palm beach and we understand this was at least significant enough for those who are traveling with him to brief the president this morning. good morning, mark. >> good morning. leland, that's right. we are waiting to see whether or not president trump will address what's been going on in nashville on camera or if he'll say something on one of his secret platforms, and twitter. right now he's at the trump international golf club, not far from mar-a-lago where he's been since wednesday evening. we have not seen him on campus and he touched down, but as you mentioned earlier today, he was letting reporters know that the president has been briefed and he is in regular contact getting updates. also wishing the first responders well as they begin their work of investigating what went on. we are also hearing from the department of justice, the acting attorney general has also put out a statement saying that he is offering other resources that

the fbi needs to correct it. elizabeth: fred, danny make as key source fbi sources told us.ecause it was housed inside of fbi headquarters, not in the field office where the guys do shoe leather work, do the job, say whether or not there is anything there it became politicized. we kept hearing from fbi officials james comey hopped on the train constantly, the train between headquarters and white house talking to obama officials. it became politicized. even james comey, clapper, strzok, lisa page would say there was no there there, they would say later that year, 2017 but for years we had people in the media, democrats saying saying trump did help russia hack democrat emails there was no proof of that. they were talking for years that trump was a russian asset when there is no proof of that so, to this day no one is being held accountable for that. so fred, my question to you, is, why was it housed inside of the d.c. headquarters around did that impact the whole nature of the probe as danny says? >> i can't answer that first question but let me make a related remark. why is t

it says fbi exhibit because the fbi collected at first, and that it was transferred onto the warren commission and then eventually to the national archives. i will say we have had the records of the warren commission well before the passing of the jfk act. those records have been open and available at the national archives for many years. so we have had these artifacts for a very long time as well. you will sometimes see on some of these artifacts that there are initials. those initials were used as a means of documenting the transfer of custody from one organization to another, dallas police onto the fbi, or between individuals within the fbi. and each one of these artifacts, you could find textual documentation and are in our files that would tell you more about the significance of the artifacts you are seeing here. again, this is the black sweater oswald was wearing when he was shot. our conservators have put these in acid-free boxes with tissues. any labeling that would've been on the materials when they came to us, we have preserved every artifact of the artifacts. so any of these are all

obviously you worked for the fbi, the fbi taking over this investigation or leading in it. what do you make of that and what does that mean? >> i think it is important to first point out that whenever the fbi assumes jurisdiction over a case, it is not like in the movies where they show up, say we're on scene, we got this, this is very much hand in glove joint investigative effort because it is involving multiple agencies here. what this is going to tell us is that now obviously federal investigators will bring all of the resources to bear that they have. i am hearing they're sending in resources from other neighboring offices as well to assist. we know in quantico, virginia, the fbi has a laboratory there, to include a special team that does nothing but bomb analysis, so we can imagine they would be instrumental as well. as we talked about investigations in the past that involved explosives, it is important to have historical knowledge that the fbi has because they can look at everything from the ingredients of a device, look at, for example, down to if there was a timer i

>> as the fbi said, we will find that out. there are a number of people working right now on christmas day running leads throughout the city, from our police department, the fbi, atf. answers will be foerrthcoming. we can't discuss those with you now what we're looking at. answers will be forthcoming. i have no information about any body being found. we do not know whether anyone was in the rv when it exploded. we do not know whether anyone was in the rv when it exploded. so i can't tell you at this point whether there's a potential for a fatality in that scenario. >> megaphone was warning people coming from the truck or from somewhere else? >> it is believed it was coming from the rv. >> yes. >> there were announcements coming from the rv. that's the extent of what we can say at this point. >> is there surveillance footage that police are investigating now? >> there are cameras throughout the downtown area. yes. we have been reviewing downtown cameras and that is all part of the totality of the investigation. >> you mentioned

>> well you're right, that friday, we finally got our fbi briefing. it was just the speaker nancy pelosi and myself. it was a very thorough briefing. no one that was in that room could walk out and say eric swalwell should be on the intel committee. i don't know they had a briefing before in 2015, and i don't know what that briefing was like compared to this one but it could not have been the same. the one answer that i got out of that briefing was there is no way eric swalwell should continue to serve on the intel committee, and the challenge here is the leaders of both parties are the only people who select to go on the intel committee. that is why today, maria, what i'm going to request, that every single member on the house intelligence committee, gets the exact same briefing from the fbi that i did, because if this individual is sitting on this committee, eric swalwell, they've got to know the background of what has gone on. i can't talk about the classified part, but you know what's out there in the press. this is an individual, and maria you've

the fbi, is the lead on the case.y what they're going to say but i assume it will be an update and fbi officials said stay tuned. there will be news made here. obviously during this news conference in about a half an hour or so, could be a few minutes late. i want to play what authorities continue to go over and over, it is a warning sign, a warning sound i should say, from the rv that exploded. listen. >> evacuate now. if you can hear this, evacuate now. if you can hear this, evacuate now. if you can hear this, evacuate now. if you can hear this, evacuate now. >> then the explosion happened right after that it's not something authorities typically see where they have such a warning. fifteen minute warning. authorities say the rv was the catalyst for the explosion you owned it, drove it and put explosives in the vehicle, all questions are being asked. >> we don't have anything at this time. we are following up on everything we can. by christmas morning? we have no idea. a total surprise. this morning, i thought maybe

this is a while ago fbi and fbi agents readed that home that you mentioned in antioch, tennessee whichten miles south of nash veal that is reportedly tied to a person of interest. a source tells us agents were there conducting court authorize activity seeking evidence as part of the investigation as for that rv explosion, site authorities say it is a complex and expansionive scene with at least 41 buildings damaged. but authorities say they have no reason to believe there are any other threats in the region we'll expect more -- expect to hear more from federal and local agents tomorrow, jon. jon: charles watson in nashville. charles, thank you. and that's how fox reports on this final saturday of 2020. december 26th the day after christmas, i'm jon scott, thank you for watching, see you tomorrow.

with the fbi or the head of the justice department. them that you think may be most helpful to them to assure integrity in this election. >> well, what we're giving them is we're giving to every of our target states' attorney generals, the legislature, governors and secretary of state is hard evidence of presidentially illegal ballots cast this those states x. not sending charts or line graphs or speculation about what may or may not have happened. i sent names, addresses, voter record numbers of people who said they had ballots cast in their name or those who meet residency requirements or cast ballots in multiple states. what we've found in several key states -- specifically, wisconsin, georgia and arizona -- the number of these ballots individual voters that we've identified who cast early ballots in these states surpassed the margin of victory. which means that we can -- nobody can honestly say for certain that joe biden actually won the election just on the basis of our data alone. now, other people is have done other analyses whi

the current fbi director has admitted that.doesn't come out with a report to indicate what took place, will a potential biden administration shut him down? will john durham get shutdown? >> well they've indicated that they plan to do that or some have. chairman schiff has indicated he thinks that the durham investigation should end which is exactly why an interim report be appropriate. it would show whether or not there's a good faith basis to continue and protect the work that's been done so i would encourage my colleagues over at the department of justice and at the fbi and in particular, now special counsel durham to consider doing that, so that the american people can get the full accounting that they deserve. look it's not a question anymore whether or not there was illegal spying. this idea that there was notifies fisa abuse, look someone is going to prison over that. it's just a question now of how wide and how deep it was, and i know john durham has been investigating that and i'm confident and i've said that based on w

some 500 tips came into the fbi. this rv, the tips on the rv that ultimately likely led the fbi to some of the locations that they've searched and a lot of information, dana. >> shimone, excellent reporting as always, thank you. we will be back to you throughout the evening. now i want to go to cnn natasha chen, who was outside the house investigators connected to the explosion. what are you learning there? >> dana, well, the investigators just left the scene. not more than 15 minutes ago. but we have been here about three hours, the entire time they were working here and from what we understand from neighbors, there were people here working at this property pretty much all day. from what we saw, the fbi actually told us this was court-authorized activity happening at this property. first we saw bomb technicians really clear this property to make sure it was safe to enter. then an evidence team calm in and spent several hours going through the property, documenting things, photographing things. i know it's dark and a

the fbi and atf are taking the lead here through the j.t. tf infrastructure, the joint terrorism task force. this is a nationwide task force consisting of state and local law enforcement agencies which allow the fbi to quickly scale investigations based on any investigative lead that may come out of nashville related to this case across the country. they are looking for identifying information right now and we are starting to see a surveillance video coming out in the case of the rv. we are also starting to see the identification of things like license plates, vehicle identification numbers, the materials that have been news here as well as eyewitness accounts like the previous report that you just had to. >> mike: your thoughts at this point from what you've seen, what you heard and what you've read about the incident? >> clearly what has happened here can be considered and defined as a christmas miracle. here it is at 1:22 a.m. in the morning, and there is this rv that is seen in that neighborhood on second street there. as you know, law e

congressman adam kinzinger says it's silly to suggest the fbi, to suggest the fbi rigged the electionys. and rino congressman riggleman of virginia suggestedded 74 million trump supporters are the manic fringes of the country. he must be confused about which party antifa and black lives matter and the violent rioters of the summer belonged to. joining us now, congressman matt gaetz, member of the house judiciary and armed services committees. no rino, he. matt, good to have you with us. where in the hell are the republicans when we've got a battle for the white house underway, and it's pretty obvious this election was rigged? >> i do have republican colleagues who believe that we ought to just ignore or the irregularities in vote or registration, that we should turn a blind eye to ballot harvesting. and when you can't account the number of ballots cast against the number of people in a precinct, we should just accept the new normal. president trump has an obligation to insure that we count the legal votes and reject the illegal ones. and you asked the right question, what should repub

field offices and fbi headquarters. they're working shoulder to shoulder with our partners. our team is addressing this case on several fronts. first, our investigative team is turning over every stone to make sure we know as many details as possible to answer the question of who is responsible for this and also, to understand why did they do this. this includes assistance currently from our behavioral analysis unit back at quantico. secondly, our evidence response teams are committed to documenting and collecting all of the evidence to support the facts learned by the investigative team. we know this affects local businesses and are committed to processing the scene in a timely but thorough way. we starting from the outer most perimeter of the crime scene and working our way inward. we hope that have the outer area complete and turn over to the city of nashville within the next day or so. so that they can conduct the necessary inspections. again, i want to thank the citizens of nashville for their trust in the fbi and

they are between a recontacted if fbi -- redacted fbi agent and jennifer boone.ifer boone is the one who oversaw the bureau's abuse of the fisa court. in the redacted texts, the redacted agent tells boone that on friday, july 22nd, of 2016, quote: there were a bunch of dnc e-mails posted on wick key leaks -- buck key leaks. -- wikileaks. that was our guys, said he. who are "those guys"? could it be guys from the bureau? or guys the bureau was looking into? perhaps something even more sinister. the only way we'll ever know is if underlying intelligence or reports if crowdstrike are actually declassified and released by the president himself. i hope he will. we also need to know of other documents linked to the deep state's efforts to bring down president trump like where are those original notes from the fbi's interview with general michael flynn in january of 2017. that's one of the questions i'll be asking the general in our exclusive interview with him here this evening. please stay with us, we're going to be coming right back with that. >>> and another post of

right now, fbi and atf farm techs are on the scene. all day problem assisting the scene and they will be there for the foreseeable future. authorities seen in nashville at a press conference this afternoon made it clear there no other threat at this time you put in the city of nashville can feel safe. authorities have zeroed in on this rv is the catalyst for the explosion who owned it, drove it, read it with explosives, all part of the investigation led by the fbi. >> a giant jigsaw puzzle created by a bomb during evidence across multiple city blocks. they got together it, catalog it, put it back together and find out the picture of the puzzle. reporter: moments before the explosion, rare morning broadcast from the rv telling people to leave the scene and announcing a detonation in 15 minutes, then 14 minutes, 13 minutes and so on. authorities say it was a countdown and music was played. people evacuated before the explosion. >> if you can hear this message, evacuate now. >> we can't confirm individuals or anybody identified again, we

and fbi headquarters.heir working shoulder to shoulder with our partners. our team is addressing this case on several fronts. first, our investigator team is turning over every stone to make sure we know as many details as possible to answer the question of who is responsible for this and also to understand why did they do this? this includes behavioral analysis unit in quantico. second, our evidence response teams are committed to documenting and collecting evidence to support the facts learned by the investigative team. we know this affects local businesses and are committed to processing the scene in a timely but thorough way. we are starting from the outermost perimeter of the crime scene and working our way inward. we hope to have the outer area complete and turned over to the city of nashville within the next day or so. especially so they can conduct inspections. again, i want to think citizens of nashville for their trust in the fbi and federal and state and local partners and also the cooperation o

andrew, we didn't hear from the fbi at this briefing. did anything stand out to you from what you heard from the mayor or the police chief? >> well, just what you mentioned about the recovery of some presumed human tissue. you don't know where that was picked up. hard to say whether they can connect that to the rv or not. that's certainly a possibility. the other thing i heard that was interesting was the chief was talking about what his officers heard when they got on the scene. they heard the announcement coming from the rv, then described it as a countdown, and then music played. and then the countdown started again. that's a bizarre sequence of announcements coming from the device minutes before it d detonates. the fbi and partners will be looking at each little detail to try to attach some significance to the words that were used, the frequency that they may have been repeated, if there was music playing, what was that music, how can we identify that. they will take a forensic microscope figuratively speaking to every single fact an

patriot act and changes were changed to enable the vestigation and attorney general guidelines of the fbi, the department was new and getting its ls under need that to do these investigations alongside and with the fbi and enabled by the intelligence coming oveeas from the cia, that was the environment we were in but the end of the bush administration we begin to see this phenomenon, i thought time it was indivual to herself whradicalizing the internet ands time passed we saw the context the white supremacist group has shared the internet as radicazation with the extremist but this is a much more global connected b decentralized movementhe white supremacist movement as opposed to islamic extremes extremism and the federalization was its weakness to uerstand that which decentralized which makes him that muchoree difficult to target evolution we had domestic terrorism an it's a different flavor when you look oklahoma city this is evolution over several administrations to what were fing now. >> thank you missed townsend, me question to you from the year 2009 - 2013 wha was it whicconstituted

the fbi deemed them the legion of doom, very dramatic fbi fashion. these are individuals who in a computer lab changing phones back and forth and since medical reaching out to americans to commit attacks. what would happen is they had a level of prominence. a well-known british hacker became an isis propagandist, and americans would reach out to them and these guys in the legion would reach back and say you don't want to travel, it's too hard. what you want to do is commit an attack on the homeland. let me make it easy for you is addressed military officer in your area. here's a link to amazon to the nice you want to use and here's how you upload the video in order to be had the individual and we will claim credit for it. these guys were not necessarily saying make sure your attack them all-america but let's make it easy for you to do that. it's a bit of a handholding. in fact, when you look at the metric plotting when looked at the book, we found more than half of the cases involve at least six of the individuals and allegiance. once as individuals

that is inside of the fbi any way handled as a presumptive act of terrorism.i could tell you that the full force of the fbi counter-terrorism division is being brought to bear on the this problem set right now. we don't know who is behind it or if it is a document group or anti-government group or someone motivated by a foreign terrorist group. those are all details that we won't have until investigators have an actual -- people that they could associate with that act and able to trace those links and those associations back away from those people. but i could tell you at this point, an explosive device of this size is going to be treated as presumptively as an act of terrorism. >> and andrew, downtown nashville has been blocked off for the investigation which is explosion huge.adiu how long does it take for authorities to painstakingly go through each and every area of that to get those clues necessary to find who is responsible? >> well, the forensic examination of the scene, allison, this is likely going to take days. the first thing that investigators and

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he is a former fbi supervisory special agent and a cnn law enforcement contributor. steve, so, federal investigators in nashville sound pretty confident when they say that there's no reason to think that there's a danger of more explosions, as you just heard there from shimon. but help us read between the lines here. does that confidence tell you that they likely have a good line on a suspect or even a body? >> what that tells me, just, you know, armchair quarterbacking here, is they think they've got this solved. now, the reason why is, the fbi, as much as any or more than any other agency, is loath to tell people that things are safe when they can't be sure they are. if they thought they had a mad bomber out there on the loose, unidentified, they would never say everything's safe. if they had an identified bomber that was out there that they hadn't apprehended, they certainly wouldn't tell you things are safe. the only time is fbi is ever going to say that is, we've got it. we've figured this one out. right now, they are doing their due diligence to make sure that

that is what the fbi has to do with on a daily basi why is it a fullield investigation? they would say when at individual has connections are lookinto build a bomb. >> you have a sense the fbi with that domestic terrorism? >>. >> i interviewed for the book and isys' antigovernment stuff. defined it easier of a case. and i would also say the temple for the cases so in 2015 you have fbi agents i was interviewing working 18 hour days not seeing their families for weeks now s i am right a ttle bit more and it is a different dynamic. and another thing toook at is the charges. some in the fbi if the temple wadropped toouch so those individuals and gun charges or drug charges and then to let it build up. because you don't put the word isys. that's what i'm talking about en i say we don't have a full picture in america yet. i will say to my colleagues i'm still looking it is incumbent on us as a democracy to share as much infoation and to get a sense of the nature of the threato put our resources against it. we $10million from isys and then fro white supremacist it is the number

so the fbi is not ready to say. i don't think that they have any information that says aha, this is it. this is the reason why. so they're working through everything. it could be a number of things. sadly we've seen a lot of situations like this where the fbi comes in, they're investigating, and they never learn a clear motive. it could be a multitude of things that brings someone to this point. we've seen this in the las vegas shooting where really no one was ever able to determine a clear motive. and we could be heading to that in this incident. it's not like there's any clear-cut information, perhaps a note or something that was left behind that can say, okay, this is the reason why. they're certainly dealing with a very peculiar individual. he's 63 years old, almost no criminal history. he has one arrest back from the '70s, and he doesn't seem to have been on anyone's radar for something like this. so those things factor in. also, you know, his life. they don't know much yet about his life, but they're digging i

. >> i'pleased to introduce my friendfrom npwho will be speaking with fbi deputy assistant director tonya eberts. chief information security officer in analysis and eli lilly director of security officer mary parker. welcome. >> thanks very mh john. >> good to be with you virtually . so you ve everyone bible and i don't need to reintroduce the panel but at they're going to offer i think is a way to lookat the year and back of the year in the context of hybrid healthcare and give us a little bit of a different way to look at the latestefforts to get the vaccine out to the public . we had some news on this today by the way, we will get to that a little later. the new york times reported cyber attacks and cold storage of the vaccine and then going on since august and it's unclear whether this is ran somewhere or something more sinister we will get to that in a minute. what i thought we do is divide the discussion into three parts. we will look at the broader issue of cyber threats and attacks on the healthcare sector as we wrestled through a pandemic. we're going to look at security and prot

that is also the dynamic the fbi has to deal with on a daily basis. somebody is just spouting off for a full investigation? they would say when the individual has connections or when they make overt actions whether buying a gun or moore's when you turn on the spigot spirit you get a sense the fbi has deployed agents away from jihadist terrorism and more to domestic terrorism? >> yes. a number of agents i interviewed for the book don't work with isis anymore it is antigovernment stuff. host: talk about the similarities or differences? >> yes. they find it to be almost easier because these guys are so overt jihadist were a little bit better at hiding a little bit they don't see you need to do that quite yet but i would also say that the tempo for the isis cases has significantly dropped. in 2015 you had fbi agents say they were working 18 hour days and not see their families for weeks now they say i'm resting a little bit more. i'm still out there and dealing with the issues but it is a different dynamic. another thing to look out for is the charges. so

guys do. >> fbi is what i do. i've been to hundreds in my career. this one sounded different though. >> security cameras showed just how different. the robber was brian wells, the delivery guy from mama mia's. >> he handed the teller a note saying this is a bank robbery, i have a bomb, and i need $250,000 in cash. he had something underneath his shirt. but you really couldn't see exactly what it was. >> whatever the device was, it was attached archd around wells' neck with something that looked like a giant handcuff. he was holding a bag in one hand, a cane in the other. at least it looked like a cane. >> he was calm. walking with the money very casually. >> grabs a lollipop which they have on the counter. >> to feel comfortable enough to reach into the basket and pull out a lollipop actually surprised me. >> wells strolled out with a bag of money, but he might not have been so calm if he knew just how fast law enforcement was responding. >> a guy just walked out with a, i don't know how much cash in a bag. he had

there were changes of attorney general guidelines of the fbi. the apartment was getting its legs underneath it and working to do these investigations alongside and with the fbi and enabled by some of the intelligence coming from overseas. that was the environment we were in. from the end of the bush administration, we began to see this phenomenon. time werehat individuals who are self radicalizing using the internet. the context of white supremacist. the white supremacist groups share the internet as an accelerant to radicalization with islamic extremists. this is a more decentralized movement, the white supremacist movement as opposed to foreign extremes them -- foreign extremism. this premise is understood that. they are connected but decentralized, which makes them much more difficult to target. i think this has been evolution. we had domestic terrorism. it was a different flavor when you look at oklahoma city. this has been evolution over several administrations to what we are facing now. >> thank you, ms. townsend. secretary napolitano, fro