now, whether it means at the fcc or something else in a reinvigorated fcc or something else is still to be, you know, those are open questions for anyone to consider. so i have supported the need for an fcc, but what it looks like, i think i'm open to considering all different changes maybe put manufacture me. >> one thing that, one of the things that's going to affect how fast you all can undo some of the things that the democrats did at the fcc is whether you have a majority. and with commissioner rosenworcel stepping down, there's still two current fcc democratic commissioners. do you have any insights, thoughts or unscientific wild guesses as to what chairman tom wheeler will do come january 30th? or should, or what he should do? >> guest: you know, the nomination process and the confirmation process done by, you know, the u.s. senate. a number of good friends there and former employers. they have their process. i leave it to them on how that shakes out. but to your point, you know, tom has always surprised me over the years. we've disagreed, though, you know, in a very thoughtfu

does the fcc have a role in that? mr. o'rielly: i think it is a very important issue, and one congress has been very aggressive on in trying to find the right solutions. i think other agencies are doing so as well. the fcc's role is rather limited to the statute that governs us, the communications act of 1934. while i do believe the government has a role to monitor vide restrictions in this space, they are not authorized by the law for us to do. the appropriate action is to go to congress and say we believe we can have a beneficial impact on this issue, and present an argument to congress and let them make a decision representing the american people on whether they would like to authorize the commission to do something. reluctant to am take action in this space. entities we regulate today are doing a wonderful job in protecting their networks. it is in their best interest, because they are seeking to provide the best experience to consumers. they are working as hard as possible to prevent any type of intrusions or instanc

folks talked to the fcc a lot lately. that same five-mile radius, you might have a thousand small cells. right now the local processes are the same that. doesn't scale. these are the kind of things on the front line and being worked through as we speak. >> i just provide a layer on that which is the model that doesn't fit within the current spectrum management framework. that's my opinion. for example, people posited a nuisance approach based on real property for spectrum management, one difference with real property you have local zoning and access to local courts. when i hear of a nuisance type model, i think of one federal court, the fcc who has a total of two administrative law judges, i don't see how it fits the model. i'd have to go in a lot more detail. my initial reaction is you can't do it that way unless you want to rethink how we currently do things on a more fundamental basis. largely where we've gotten to where we are today, where i say we have three models, none of which do we have a coherent theory to descr

there's a different level that you have to meet whether it's fcc or doj and fcc, their merger review requires that any proposed deal actually benefits consumers so i would think that the message you're sending to us and the current and potential at&t consumers if you can't confidently assert that this deal benefits the american public is not a great message. mr. kimmelman, do you think the fcc should review this deal? >> yes, senator franken. if it's within their jurisdiction at all, i think they should. it would add a benefit to the overall public policy analysis. >> okay. thank you. >> i want to thank all of you for coming and participating today, for answering our questions in providing your testimony. we have received a statement from mr. patrick gosh that will be admitted into the record. the record will remain open for a week for additional questions and submissions. this hearing will be adjourned. [ indistinct conversation ] [ indistinct conversation ] [ indistinct conversation ] [ indistinct conversation ] [ indistinct conversation ] [ indistint conversation ] >>> we'll conti

so this is an active ongoing fcc proceeding. just as a side note, this is about as bipartisan as things get i think on these issues where everyone is in agreement we want to make progress on these. there's an administration happening but that one is going to keep going, be my guess. issues like that are teed up and active commission proceeding. as paige said -- to the gentleman's question from before, when you get that high, the provocation gets real small and the most sensible licensing approach for spectrum, whatever anybody else around the ability of someone to use directional technologies. you're never going to be kilometers in distance. what does that mean for the best way to use that. this is not a theoretical question. >> ojohn, i think you have the last word. please join me in thanking your panel today. thank you so much. [ applause ] . >>> coming up shortly on our companion network c-span president obama holds a news conference before leaving for his annual family vacation in hawaii. this could be the last news conferen

>> i think it gets rolled back completely any new fcc -- and a new fcc will do just that.ly: why? >> it doesn't make any economic sense. it's an idea based on regulating one set of companies to be in a mother, may i situation where they have to come to washington to beg the federal government to let them do something, while another set of companies is unregulated. it makes no sense at all and i think you will see a new fcc rollback these rules, including net neutrality. emily: let's talk about the the fcc.eadlock at i wonder what hope is there for anything more than a series of partisan divide it decisions that are the fcc. heavily influenced by the party in power? harold: until the past four years, the fcc has rarely had a lot of 3-2 votes. most votes would be 5-0 or 4-1. that has changed in the past 4 years. there's no reason to think that going forward, it won't be much scenario.e 5-0, 4-1 i'm not convinced you are going to see a lot of party line boats. -- votes. emily: who do you think that trump is likely to nominate, and who do you think he should nominate? harold:

and is brought to you today by your cable or satellite provider >> host: fcc commission her mignon clyburn as you move from the majority into the minority on the commission. what are your biggest concerns? >> guest: number one. great to be here today. people have been talking about this a lot over the past week 1/2 or two or three, who's counting? but it is not a positioni'm unfamiliar with. as you know, i spent 11 years on my state public utility commission in south carolina and if you know anything about south carolina it is a state that does not have the political balance on its commission. so i was either one of one or one of, one of seven or, two of seven depending on where thing. so it is not a very uncomfortable and uncommon place for me. what i feel and what i hope we will have going forward is the need to really address the communications needs of this nation. there's a lot of work to do when it comes to broadband coverage. mobile broadband is something i care about in particular. really connecting communities and bridging the digital divide. those are things that he i care about.

. >> host: michael o'rielly of the fcc are in january january 20th year life changes how does a change of that point quick. >> thinks for having me. it is up pleasure to be back. the change amid ministrations will bring change to the activity of like to say very few people vote on telecommunications policies but the it out, does have an impact with of majority in new of the makeup so it will alter our current balance of the breakdown of our five member panel. it will launch a radically change i am sure there are things that will be different but we can get back to regular work. >> host: what do you mean? >> i have worked for quite awhile with different commissions provide tend to find this commission most troubling however approaches digit - - issue is how i can be involved with certain activities of a bite to believe the majority or minority that you can participate to work with your colleagues collaborative lady in a process with the best outcome. the issues generally and not partisan and good idea is should be taken no matter who offers them but current commission has operated that

if ever a merger should be with the fcc, it is this one.t touches broadband, it touches wireless, and touches broadcast satellite. it is every reason for the fcc to look at this. >> if you use mark cuban's logic there, i think any media merger outside of those two companies that he mentioned would be ok. he seems to be paving the way by saying that facebook and google are dominating this industry. pick any two companies and put them together, they are still not going to be dominant right now as those two companies. you have to imagine regulators will not buy into that extreme degree of logic while looking at this merger. emily: there is a question of whether this merger is approved it could lead to a new sort of industry of tech media and telecom players. there is a possibility at -- that they could avoid as -- fcc scrutiny. one of the implications if that happens? >> i think the implications are pretty stark. if firms are allowed to use shell companies and play games to skirt public interest review, and a world that is a free-for-all, ther

level that you have to meet, whether it's fcc or doj. and fcc, their merger review requires that any proposed actually benefits consumers, so i would think that the message you're sending to us and the current and potentially gte consumers, if -- at&t consumers if you can't assert that this deal benefits the american public, it's not -- it's not a great message. do you think the fcc should review this deal? >> yes, i agree. if it's within their jurisdiction at all i believe they should. i think it will add a benefit to the overall public policy analysis. >> thank you. >> i want to thank all of you for coming and for participating today and providing your testimony. we've received the statement from mr. patrick, that will be admitted into the record. the record will remain open for a week for additional questions and submissions. this hearing will be adjourned. >>> we'll have live coverage from the national competitive forum at 8:30 a.m. eastern time here on cspan 3. >> often when you look at a project, you look afterwards to see what obj

. >> michael o'rielly, fcc commissioner co talks about how the fcc may change at the administration to he's interviewed by david cal,. >> a lot of concern about cyber security. getting a particular amount of attention with what happened in last few months to the campaign. does the fcc have a role in that? >> i think it is an important issue. one that congress has been aggressive on in trying to find the right solutions. other agencies are doing so as well. the fcc's role is relatively limited by the statute that governs us. thee i do believe government has a role to monitor and potentially provide additional fixes in this space they are not authorized by the law for us to do. >> watch the communicators tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span2. >> good morning from washington, d.c. the 2016 president of campaign that began two years ago today moves to its final stage as directed under the u.s. constitution, the electors meeting in all 50 state capitals. it's not the popular vote, the electoral college boat that the kerman's -- that determines how is like our president. we will be monitoring w

is there -- fcc? is there a way to slice that? >> guest: first of all, i think the whole question of what you should regulate, we should be careful not to fall into thinking that says a certain class of companies or a certain type of technology should be regulated per se. i think you all want to look and say, okay, where's the competition, where there's more competition, you need less regulation. where you see competition breaking down, that's where you need a little more regulation, and what are the consumer harms that could arise, and how do you do that. as far as your larger question, it clearly is the case that the ftc and the fcc are increasingly overlapping in terms of their jurisdiction. you see that with verizon. you asked earlier about the type of businesses that verizon is in, and you're in this odd situation where parts of our business are regulated by one agency, parts of the business are regulated by the other. >> right. >> guest: for that matter, a device and mobile device, consumer protection driven in part by where

. >> fcc commissioner mean young clyburn. .-mignon clyburn as you move from the minority into the majority of the commission, what are your biggest concerns? mignon clyburn it is great to be here today. people have been talking about this a lot in the last couple of weeks. a position i am unfamiliar with. as you know, i spent 11 years on my state public utility commission in south carolina. if you know anything about south carolina, it is a state that does not have the political balance on its commission. i was either one of one or one of sevenor two depending on things. it is not an uncommon place for me. what i feel and what i hope we will have going forward is the need to really address the communications of this nation. there is a lot of work to do when it comes to broadband coverage, mobile coverage is something i care about in particular. really connecting communities and really bridging these digital divides. those are the things that i care about and i trust that those will not have partisan leanings. host peter slen: d

so this is an active ongoing fcc proceeding. progress on these. there's an administration happening but that one is going to keep going, be my guess. issues like that are teed up and active commission proceeding. as paige said -- to the gentleman's question from before, when you get that high, the provocation gets real small and the most sensible licensing approach for spectrum, whatever anybody else around the ability of someone to use directional technologies. you're never going to be kilometers in distance. what does that mean for the best way to use that. this is not a theoretical question. >> john, i think you have the last word. please join me in thanking your panel today. thank you so much. [ applause ] [ proceeding concluded ] >>> this weekend on american history tv on c-span. saturday evening, just before 7:00 eastern, providence college history professor patrick breen and youthor of the boog the land shall be deluged in blood exam pinned the life of nat turner and the confusion and uncertainty among blacks and whites i

bloomberg dispute, that was the fcc dealing with that. doj has all these resources, that was the fcc dealing with bloomberg, right? that's correct, senator, but the consent degrees in these things are with the department of justice. in a number of these cases, there have been parallel commitments with the fcc with an understanding of the fcc would do the enforcement because they are the regulator of the industry with expertise, so i will say -- for example, on access to program and comcast-abcu, there were restrictions put in place to not impose those because the fcc was putting those restrictions in place. tryingere parallels for to block online innovation and video, and the department of justice clips and degree -- department of justice consent decree said they would defer to the fcc for action in most, nearly all instances. dualone of those involved agency action with a reliance on industryor the deep expertise. mr. chairman, you had raised the section 5 issue. i want to point out that we believe the court decision was horrible and nee

you know, the fcc leases its building from a commercial entity. so those things have prices put on them. i decision was made back in the '30s that spectrum wasn't going to be owned by anyone but the u.s. government, and, in fact, that's also largely true of land west of the mississippi for whatever reason. but to posit something truly different from what we have now, it could be the opposite. it could mean ther there's no fl allocated spectrum per se. it's all commercial, and different agencies mission requires access to spectrum, they lease or buy the same way they deal with real property. by the way, i'm not suggesting that's going to happen anytime soon if nothing else, because there are decades of institutional history around this and it's not done that way now. i'm dissing as a matter of economics i don't see any reason why it couldn't work in the abstract. again, the sort of historical structure place makes that a little difficult to transition to at this point. but spectrum rights come like any other right, they can be negotiated and have a

so this is an active ongoing fcc proceeding.make progress on these. there's an administration happening but that one is going to keep going, be my guess. issues like that are teed up and active commission proceeding. as paige said -- to the gentleman's question from before, when you get that high, the provocation gets real small and the most sensible licensing approach for spectrum, whatever anybody else around the ability of someone to use directional technologies. you're never going to be kilometers in distance. what does that mean for the best way to use that. this is not a theoretical question. >> john, i think you have the last word. please join me in thanking your panel today. thank you so much. [ applause ] [ proceeding concluded ] >>> this weekend on american history tv on c-span. saturday evening, just before 7:00 eastern, providence college history professor patrick breen and youthor of the boog the land shall be deluged in blood exam pinned the life of nat turner and the confusion and uncertainty among blacks and whit

. >> you have about one month left of being in the majority, what is the agenda for the fcc in the next month? >> one of the things that you know we have been asked by the leadership to not make any major moves unless we have total consensus. so the last month and a half or so we have been going through items that we feel we can agree on, we have been going through and green lighting issues and concerns that i think push our agenda forward. i do not think we'll crank the backup into full gear until after the meeting and probably in february and we'll see where things go from here. >> let's bring david from communications daily and tour conversation. >> one of the things that the republican on the hill and at the fcc have been most clear about wanting to undo is your net neutrality decision also called open internet and how you regulate broadband. while beer biggest concern if they move ahead with their promises to undo that? >> i'm very proud of that decision that was upheld by the courts. it offers certainty for consumers and for companies. it is built on the strongest framework that w

indicate the fcc should be organized -- reorganized? craig: it should continue to evolve with the new technologies. it was originally built around certain silos of technology. as those issues become more melted, absolutely need to look at that -- melted, absolutely you need to look at that. frameworko change the of the regulator to make sure they are structured in a way to meet the needs of today's technology, today's markets, and today's consumer behavior. >> do you think you should keep regulation of edge providers, the internet companies, when it comes to privacy issues, do you think that regulation should stay at the fcc or should move? the whole question of what you should regulate, we should be careful not to fall into a certain class of company or a type of technologies should be regulated. where is their competition? where there is more competition, you need less regulation. what are the consumer harms that could arise? as far as your larger question, it clearly is the case that they are increasingly overlapping. you see that wi

does the fcc have a role in that? >> i think it is an important issue. congress has been aggressive on trying to find the right solutions. i think other agencies are doing so as well. the fcc's role is relatively limited by the statute that governs us, the community should act of 1934. while i believe the government has a role to monitor and potentially provide additional fixes in the space, they are not authorized by the law for us to do it. >> watch the communicators tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span2. in-depth willy 1, feature a live discussion on the presidency of barack obama. taking phone calls or tweets and facebook questions. our panel includes april ryan, what has corresponded for urban radio networks. author of, presidency in black and white. andessor eddie glad pulitzer prize winning journalist and associate editor of the washington post david ofinus, offer of "-- author barack obama, the story. >> starting shortly, live coverage of the electoral college but while we wait for things to get underway here is a preview of today's gatherings from

the fcc cannot turn over completely.s to be no more than three of the five members from any one political party. but jessica rosenberg has been a good friend of bloomberg west. she has to be appointed by commerce to stay on the commission, and that is not a given at all. be a lotre, there will of other fcc choices. the role of the road could change quite a bit. emily: remind us why netflix is so prominent in this debate. isn't it something like 40% of internet traffic at times is netflix? cory: that's exactly it. depends on the measures, the numbers are all over the place, but a lot of the traffic on the internet is netflix, and netflix will have to pay a lot more than other carriers. if you took netflix and youtube, those two businesses alone are responsible for a lot the traffic on the internet. amazon prime video is catching up. .ulu has a role as well and some as twitch, another amazon product. but when you look up the costs these companies would have to bear if they had to pay their way to get their service out ther

now, whether it means at the fcc or something else in the reinvigorated fcc, still to be -- those arepen questions for anyone to consider. so i have supported the need for an fcc but what it looks like i'm open to considering all changes before me. >> host: one thing that is in effect how fast you all can undo the things that the democrats did at the fcc is whether you have a majority, and with the commissioner stepping down there's still two current fcc democratic commissioners. do you have any insight, thoughts or unscientific wild guesses what chairman tom wheeler will do come january 30th or what he should do? >> guest: the nomination process and the confirmation process done by the u.s. senate, number of good friends there, and former employers. they have their process. i leave itself to them. to your point, tom is always surprised me over the years. we disagreed, though in a very thoughtful way. like to believe. don't have any clue what he may or may not do. traditionally the chair person has resigned the instance of a new commission, so i wouldn't be surprised if that were the

here on c-span, the communicators is next with fcc commissioner minion clyburn. we show you the interview we have with retiring congressman jim mcdermott. interview with mitch mcconnell about the 2016 election and what to expect in january with the new congress. and a look at this year's white house christmas decorations and the lighting of the christmas tree. c-span, where history unfolds daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service by a america's cable television companies. it is brought to you today by your cable or satellite provider. >> fcc commissioner mean young clyburn. .-mignon clyburn as you move from the minority into the majority of the commission, what are your biggest concerns? mignon clyburn it is great to be here today. people have been talking about this a lot in the last couple of weeks. a position i am unfamiliar with. as you know, i spent 11 years on my state public utility commission in south carolina. if you know anything about south carolina, it is a state that does not have the political balance on its commission. i was either on

that was the fcc dealing with bloomberg, right?> that's correct, senator. >> the dissent agrees there with the department of justice. >> in a number of these cases, there have been parallel commitment at the sec within understanding the fcc would do the enforcement because they are the regulator of the industry with expertise. i would say, for example on access to programming comcast-nbc u., their restrictions in place the department of justice decided not to impose those because the fcc was putting us in place. there were parallels were trying to block online innovation in video and the department of justice said they would defer to the fcc for enforcement action and most are nearly always says. so teach one of those at least involved dual agency action with a reliance on the fcc for the deep industry expertise. also just mention one name. mr. chairman, you raise the section five issue. i want to point out we believe the court decision was horrible and needs to be appealed, but there is a gap year mr. stephenson missed, which is i

the fcc role is limited by the statute that governs us. while light do believe the government has a role to monitor and potentially provide additional fixes in the space, they are not authorized by the law for us to do. announcer: watch "the communicators" monday night at 8:00 p.m

separation of powers and the 20th century with the epa or the fcc most of this starts with the new deal want so that is the problem that we face. >> so what happened with? >> congress does not have passed laws. before whether they vote or not who writes the rules. they give the vague aspiration to allow those experts but congress for the most part this setback and it is not fundamental. >> as that increase of the bureaucratic state then slow what? >> the way that scientists would call that a political scientist before he was president to give america a new style of it ministrations. and periodically a reaction to have separate thoughts but that was the great society and the obama administration with the affordable care act there was that monument the new step of the stake they don't need a bureaucrat in this affected by their rules in this increasingly dictated if you want to apply for a job and employers especially in that is growing exponentially and that is the of quintessential of the schoolhouses. so every aspect of life those people that they've '04. two the americans themselves.

so to address this challenge, the president passed ncaa in 2010 to work with the fcc to make 500 mhz of additional federal and nonfederal spectrum available for wireless broadband within ten years. while also ensuring that federal agencies could meet their spectrum driven missions. to meet the president's goal, we partnered with the fcc in the relevant federal agencies to develop a ten year plan to achieve or exceed the target. we established a fast-track process to examine the most promising on an expedited basis, and under that we identified 115 megahertz that could be made available for wireless broadband within five years. this included bands that came became part of the successful auction in the fcc proceeding to establish the citizens broadband radio service in the three.5 megahertz band, and as we sit here today, assuming a successful outcome of the fcc's current for the tv, we will have made more than 300 megahertz spectrum available with more in the pipeline. just to show that the challenge processed in the goalpost keep moving. in 2015 congress passes drum pipeline act and

complaints to the fcc that more than 800 percent in the last three years. >> woman: you are charged for data you don't use. >> eric: they said people can still data making people paid the overage. we talked to her at ohio state university. even when there is no file play customers can be charge for more data that they actually for the user you can still be charge. >> eric: so i tried to watch a video and the will is spinning i am already charge for that data? >> woman: 30s to be more regulation of cell phones. >> eric: barbara anthony said the sec doesn't regulate contracts between cell phone >> woman: there is a good question whether anyone is watching them as a consumer. >> eric: there are no state hours of the provider got a refund but they never got an explanation. >> woman: we are facing an uphill battle to them to prove we are not up all night stripping videos is that of being on wi-fi or sleeping. they put that on us. >> eric: at&t apologize for 80 inconveniences that they stopped charging for data overages in august. t-mobile has been doing that announcer: today on "tmz" -- harv

he continues on, the fcc chair for 2008. tell me about the evolving leadership rivalries with people such as senator durbin at this time what does the landscape look like and the leadership he, then? >> at that point -- dick durbin's number two behind harry reid. also becoming very close to schumer and carving out these new roles and new power. then? >>it was really kind of like schumer was leader 2a, and d urbin was number two. it became very clear that reid trusted schumer much more and would go to him for more advice, and durbin was -- they were roommates for 20 years, living inside that townhouse. the relationship status ok, but it became clear over the years, when is read going to lose. long shadow boxing between the two of them. we see senator durbin in those clips, he has an almost melancholy look on there. i since he's at peace, within his role. he had specific issues of putting this issue of dreamers, it had become his signature issue and he's passionate about it. he does a lot on the policy front that he seems to h

disney could get a much cheaper deal under different fcc rules.ht now, netflix can sustain themselves due to wall street, but not thanks to their own efforts. this prevents acquisitions from happening anytime soon. caroline: gerry, across the border as well. you see more mobile players buying into the television. what consolidation will we see across the border? : we just saw 28 century fox by the rest of sky, the biggest pay-tv provider in the u.k. we are already seeing that. someone to keep an eye on is john malone, a pioneer in the cable business. he's got his liberty businesses all around the world, and he is certainly known for his dealmaking. the opportunities are growing, especially overseas where the not -- the pay-tv market is as saturated as it is in the u.s. there are a lot of potential combinations internationally. thanks to bloomberg editor at large cory johnson and ith insmith -- gerry sm new york. coming up, the tech breakthroughs of 2016. can apple and google play catch-up to the runaway success of amazon echo? this is bloomberg. ♪

the fcc argues then that participation in the program would make it difficult if not infeasible for a directv now competitor to offer its customers a competitively priced service. so my question is, mr. stephenson, explain again how your company is not taking money out of the -- how this isn't anti-competitive because you'd be taking money out of your right pocket and putting it in your left pocket if directv is paying a lower -- if you're paying a lower price lower pric basically supplementing them. and as the f.c.c. asks in its most recent letter to you, how exactly does directtv make payments to at&t mobility for this service and do the respective entities record such payments? >> i don't know what exactly the payment mechanism is across entities. >> i think it would be good that you did know it. >> i don't know if we do a wire transfer or just a journal entry to record the transfer, but at the end of the day, the results of directtv do indeed reflect that cost that's paid to our mobility business, they do. so when you look at the margins of direct tv they reflect that cost in it.

does the fcc have a role in that? what is it? >> i think it is a very important issue, one congress has been very aggressive on in trying to find the right solutions. other agencies as well are doing so. the fcc's role is limited by the statute that governs us, the communications act of 1934. while i do believe that the government has a role to monitor and potentially provide additional fixes in this space, they aren't authorized to do it by the lay. >> watch "the communicators" tonight at cspan2. >> now, we hear about nursing homes, how they are regulated and what kind of specialty care they provide. hosted by the brookings institution. this is an hour. >>> i am here at the sen torey for technology innovation. i would like to welcome all of you to our event to evaluate and improve the nursing home rating system. nearly 2 million americans reside in more than 15,000 nursing homes all around the united states. medicaid alone spends more than $140 billion for services provided in these nursing homes. given that, i think it is very

that will dictate whether the fcc reviews it or not. >> reporter: thank you very much.ate it. >> as you heard there, eamon getting a hallway interview with randall stephenson, of course, ceo of at&t about to appear. oh, there's jeff bewkes, great american. >> great american. >> let's listen in. >> no. >> reporter: do you think the mood of populism in this country is going to affect the possibility of this deal having? >> no, i don't. i think the facts should become clear to everybody. and i think it will be seen to be good for consumers and good for competition. >> reporter: what do you make of donald trump tweeting his criticism of individual companies that he doesn't like or thinks have done something wrong? are you worried about that as a leader in business that this is something you have to focus ongoing forward? >> well, it's a complicated issue. i think we should discuss it in the committee. >> reporter: okay. thank you, sir. >> and there was jeff bewkes, of course. mr. stephenson's counterpart for a deal that they negotiated some time back. one of the largest dea

right now on the forward-looking distribution and assumption models than at&t. >> host: craig silliman fccchair tom wheeler is not a fan of zero rating. what is verizon's prospective? >> guest: it's funny the amount of -- the business models been around for long a long time for the "wall street journal" has advertisements and it doesn't mean that my prescription -- subscription to wall street journal is in a less than it would be. back in the day when netflix was selling a lot of dvds they played -- pay for the mailing of that. so there's a fundamental business model that's been around for a long time that says companies will provide i think there is a transport for free in order to encourage consumers to concern for the content that they are providing. that's a pretty well-established business model and generally speaking i think when consumers get something for free they are pretty happy and it's a pretty good day. i get a little amused as they see some of the advocates opposing zero rating. there's a classical quote by a jamaican where he defines -- as a hunting for that someone somewhe

and we're going to have to find out who's going to be the new fcc chief. melissa: maybe it's you.. [laughter] >> i doubt donald wants to appoint me for anything, except for maybe to clean the floors at trump tower. he might want me to do that. [laughter] melissa: charlie charlie gasparino -- >> they've always got scaramucci ushering people going in and out. did you see joe kernan going -- melissa: i'm going to pull the plug and send it over to david. david: the charlie before him. president-elect donald trump doubling down on hisunabashed comment to make americans rich. >> but to be a strong nation, we must also be a wealthy or a rich nation. but they say, mr. president-elect, it doesn't sound good when you say "rich nation." i say we have to be a rich nation if we're going to rebuild our military, if we're going to build the wall. david: what's wrong with being rich? here now is steve forbes, a rich man, also "forbes" media chairman. you know, people come here from poor countries not to stay poor, not even to stay in the middle class, but to be rich. what's wrong with that? what'

he appoints the head of the fcc, jeff sessions is going to be head of the justice department. chee control this deal, this is going to be a huge story going forward. i will say this, liz, the business reporter in me loves this, this is realtime, there is going to be algorithms that are going to be following donald trump's tweets, which i'm sure there are already. liz: people are putting in all kinds of things like caller. >> we're heading into interesting uncharted territory. he knows what he's doing here. liz: let me ask you about t-mobile, then, do you think you have the algorithms or high-frequency traders putting in buy and sell programs because -- >> sure, the stock is going to go up. that doesn't mean it deserves to go up. i believe it's a reactive thing, it's good to have the exxonmobil ceo as secretary of state. we'll see what happens. that is a little more amorphous than him going after the company, what he did with rexinord. is that it? liz: rexinord. >> it is appropriate for companies. liz: united technologies which is the owner of carrier. >> that was different. th

does the fcc have a role in that? >> i think that is an important issue.ongress has been aggressive on trying to find the right solution. doingk our agencies are so. the fcc is limited by the statute that governs us that goes back to 1934. i believe the government has a role to monitor and provide additional fixes in this space, they are authorized by the law for us to do. >> watch the communicators tonight on c-span two. this morning, john faso kozel, founder of the national popular vote, and attorney james hume on calls for changes to the electoral college process. a plan to replace the welfare state, which suggests the government should dismantle social security, medicare, and all forms of welfare and give every adult american tetanus yearrs a year -- $10,000 a for life. host: and stay houses, the electoral college will meet to cast a vote for president and vice president. c-span will take you to illinois, michigan and virginia to give you the chance to comment on today's vote. that cover to start at 11:00 this morning. go to c-span.org. as the electors

however, as the fcc letter itself illustrates it's designed to eliminate many of the positive they're very fact ichb tensive and the focus should allow on the consumer welfare and consumer welfare is in turn maximized when we focus on protecting the competition rather than protecting individual competitors from the competition. the final determination is the competitive impact of the deal, will be made by the department of justice and i believe that we can make a valuable contribution by the questions raised by this unique and significant trans x transacti transaction. i look forward in hearing from the talented and capable panel of of witnesses today, and covering any issues that might come up. senator will now give her statement. >> thank you mr. chairman and for holding the important hearing. like you my initial statement here started out with the kpe l examples of the offerings. i was going to mention game of thorns also and you now i will go to westwood. so examples of the content that we're seeing from a variety of sources like hbo west world and the wire, house of karlds to esp

he has named three staunch net neutrality opponents to oversee the fcc transition. i think any weakness -- weakening of the rules are going to cause serious harm to consumers. harm that would only me exacerbated by what we assume would be further mergers in the industry. and harm is not limited to this transaction. impact all americans who rely on the free exchange of ideas and information on the internet. as chairman i'm going to submit questions for the record. i have some duties involving appropriations at the moment, but i'm very concerned about this. now you are and i know senator klobuchar is. thank you. >> thank you, senator leahy. your questions and those to be smidted by chairman grassily and even else will bev submitted without objection. we'll now turn the witnesses. i'm going to introduce them and then we'll swear them in. start from my left and move to my right. randall stephenson is the chairman and ceo of at. he bass named to his current position 2002, sin then tat tat as investedded to become a global leader to businesses and consumers. hang on. goin

we need those regulatory regulations, like the ftc and the fcc and sec and the cms for health care andederal regulatory commission. these agencies are all trying to identify, promote, and enforce cyber standards among companies and among government agencies in order to make cyberspace safer for everybody. i am hoping general mattis will be -- will pay more attention to the value these agencies theg than theranos has to fda. emily: what about privacy and security under president trump and general mattis at the pentagon? david: look, we are behind europe in setting standards for information privacy to protect citizens. emily: we were just talking about that. to a large extent, businesses have had this thing for these business -- information privacy rules. i think as we look at the prospect of not having them, if we look at what happens that jamieson has espoused decimating the fcc, if we eliminate income within the ftc and c fpb, if we actually roll back the effort to bring protections to the american citizens, then we will be woefully behind europe. i think i would welcome those kinds o

the prospect of not having them, if we look at what happens that jamieson has espoused decimating the fccnate headcount within the ftc -- if we actually roll back the effort to bring protections to the we will citizens, then europe.lly behind i think i would welcome those kind of privacy laws just like we have seen americans perhaps looking to switzerland for a safe haven for their money and canada for their families. i think we will see a flight of data as we look at europe as a safe haven for the data. we had that with the snowden revelations. i think americans will join them. germany looks like a safer place for my data. emily: what does it mean for now hacked the election? does this mean russia gets free rein if the pentagon is not watching out? dave: the big concern is trump's affinity for putin and russia. cyberspace is one area we have to be vigilant in holding back russia which has been most aggressive in actually disrupting other people's infrastructure or recently even elections. general mattis, he's much more concerned about russia as a threat than donald trump and i hope his a

if you can't, go to the fcc and file a complaint. it's literally three extra steps to think about before you blindly click on purchase the card. >> good call. thank you. >>> it is 5:39. selling positive pregnancy tests on craigslist. next, hear from a woman who's making a living off of it. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, in just a few minutes. martinez police hope someone will recognize a couple that stole a bundle of christmas presents - right off a family's porch. home surveillance video shows a dark car pulling up to the driveway... and two people grabbing boxes. the mom who lives there says the four stolen packages - were christmas presents for her 4-year-old daughter, layla (lay-luh) . layla's mom posted this message on her door - in case thieves strike again. jenniffer wycoff / homeowner "i used the term porch pirates...telling them to beware, think twice before stealing from this porch. you were caught on camera yesterday" the family says the crime won't ruin their christmas. but they do want the suspects caught - so they don't bring down so

does the fcc have a role in that ? >> i think it's a very important issue and one that congress has been very aggressive on in trying to find the right solution. i think other agencies as well are doing so. the fcc's role is limited by the governor's communications act of 1934 and while i do believe the government has a role to monitor and potentially provide additional fixes in this space, they are authorized by the law. >> watch the communicators tonight at eastern on c-span2. >> tonight we will have book tv in prime time with a look at the nonfiction finalist for the 2016 national book award. starting at 8:30, books on the vietnam war, the divide between red and blue america and 1971 attica prison uprising and the history of racism inamerica. book tv in prime time each night this week area . >> tonight, states count their electors vote for president of the united states, coverage of the counting in illinois, michigan and virginia at 8 pm eastern. tuesday night at eight, jerry greenfield, cofounder of ben and jerry's

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the doj, possibly the fcc could play a role as to whether or not this goes through.he subcommittees oversee the doj. it is important. from that standpoint, do you think it was a convincing case that it is not a matter of competing against the likes of a comcast, but really redrawing the lines of competition to include the googles of the world. >> well, yes and no. look, the -- antitrust issues that this raises are all vertical. and i think it got a relatively gentle treatment. our view now is that the deal is probably more likely than not to get approved. and that the vertical issues, while real, are probably not going to be show stoppers, particularly if the jurisdiction for the merger review is only in the doj and not in the fcc. i think that was actually perhaps most important in the most interesting part of the hearings today was whether or not the fcc would have any jurisdiction. >> julia, i know you're listening to the hearings closely on the in-house feed. i'm curious what your reaction was. i thought that was provocative argument that could redefine the lands