fcc commissioner michael o'rielly. the issue of net neutrality. comments on the political divide within the fcc. >> to take the most aggressive leftist approach on policymaking. becomes the first primary goal. the policy becomes the goal rather than anything political. you wind up with the scenario we have today. you will find i'm less likely to be supportive. here the >> the next, -- >> next, a panel of scholars discusses influential thinkers of the 20th century, including writers t.s. eliot, russell kirk. it was part of a daylong at grand rapids state university in grand rapids, michigan. it's about an hour. host: we'll move forward in time now to the mid-20th century with a look at some of that era's most influential conservative thinkers as illuminated by the bradley,ip of been, and lisa. i use the word "influential" on purpose. the trajectory of post

commissioner o'rielly and i have talked about the radical notion that the fcc should publish what it's proposing to do before it votes on it and allow the american people to have input. we should allow every commissioner's office a full and fair opportunity to make his or her views known. there's some very basic process reforms that i think would go a long way toward promoting accountability but, unfortunately, the fcc leadership has denied those proposals at every turn. >> guest: well, i agree with my colleague. this is something for congress to decide. i have given them my views, to the extent that they've asked for them, and i actually don't have a problem eliminating or removing parts of the burdens on the sunshine ban that prevents us from getting together and talking about things. the spirit of the statute is intended to prevent the majority from getting together and deciding where exactly things are going to go. i'm not as worried about that. i'm happy to have, if that's the case, i'm happy -- we have circumstances that occurs, so that, to me, is not in violation of law, but the

. >> host: and this week on "the communicators" fcc commissioner michael o'rielly, one of two republicans. thank you for being with us. >> guest: thank you so very much for having me. >> host: want to start with one of the issue that is the fcc recently worked on, that was the charter/time warner merger. why were conditions put on that merger? >> guest: so i should be careful here. that actually, that item is still before the commission. i can tell you that i have personally voted on the matter, but it is still before us, so i have to be careful on exactly what i say about such a proceeding. >> host: now, when you say you have voted on the matter -- >> guest: yes. >> host: -- but you still have to be careful, how did you vote? >> guest: that part is to be released at a certain time period. so all of that information will come forward in the next couple of week withs, i assume. >> host: when -- in general, then, when we talk about a merger or some type of activity like that, putting conditions on such a -- what's your philosophy behind it? >> guest: so my approach to mergers is similar to

we interviewed for fcc commissioners. as a regulator and a consumer, what is your view of the cable industry? : first ofsenworcel all, thank you for having me here. joy to come back to boston. supply somedustry of our most important infrastructure. it is not traditional video but rock band. it is clear to me that the broadband they provide is a market leader, and it is now going from luxury to necessity in all of our households because it is an essential part of what we do every day. ajit pai: thank you for having us. thank you for giving us the opportunity. to me the cable industry has helped to drive the digital revolution. cities big and small that have taken the risk for next-generation networks those investments did not have to be made, that infrastructure did not have to be deployed. is due inhat it is part to your members efforts. michael o'rielly: i look at the cable industry as a very dynamic one. we need to meet consumer need and demand. story in what serve thee to do to communities throughout america. michael o

. >> and this week on the "the communicators," fcc commissioner michael o'reilly, republican. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. i want to start with an issue the fcc worked on and that is the charter-time warner merger. why were conditions put on the merger? >> that item is still before the commission so i should be careful. i can tell you i have personally voted on the matter but it is before us so i have to be careful on exactly what i say about such a proceeding. >> host: when you say you have voted on the matter, how did you vote? >> guest: that part is to be released during a certain time period so it will come forward in the next couple weeks. >> host: what your philosophy on the conditions? >> my approach to mergers is similar to a number of republican viewpoints. we have charges in the statute and they are transferring wire licenses in this case and we have a number of licenses that different companies own and hold. in that review, something we have required to do to make sure the new party is able to hold the licenses and qualify to hold them and ha

[applause] >> next week "the communicators" talks with the four other fcc commissioners. you've been watching "the communicators" on c-span. if you'd like to see some of our previous programs, go to c-span.org. >> today the center for study of responsive law begins a four-day conference on civic mobilization. speakers look at ideas to make civic groups more effective. among those scheduled to speak, consumer advocate and former presidential candidate ralph nader. live coverage begins at 9 a.m. eastern here on c-span2. >> vice president joe biden and former speaker of the house john boehner recently received the university of notre dame's latarre medal at the 2016 commencement ceremony. they were honored in recognition of their leadership, civility and dedication to our nation. it's the latin word for rejoice. this is 25 minutes. [applause] >> father jenkins, vice president biden, graduates, it's truly an honor and a privilege for me to be here with all of you today. just a regular guy who used to have a big job. [laughter] you know, it's been six months since i left publi

. >> monday on "the communicators," fcc commissioner michael o "riell on several issuesy facing the fcc comments on the political divide within the fcc. >> the direction from fcc leadership including our chairman is to take the most aggressive approach to policymaking. it leaves little ground when that becomes the first primary when thehe item, policy and direction they want to go becomes the first goal rather than any consideration of any collegiality or any attempt to develop a consensus. you've lined up with a scenario where we had today, where there is little interest in bringing my opinions on board, and you will find i am less likely to be supportive. >> watch "the communicators" monday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span two. >> next, santa clara university history professor nancy under follette whole la was politically active in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. ger is an author of a book, which tells the story of this journalist and pacifist who campaigned alongside her husband in suffolk in their own bids for office.

. >> host: and this week on "the communicators" fcc commissioner michael o'rielly, one of two republicans. thank you for being with us. >> guest: thank you so very much for having me. >> host: want to start with one of the issue that is the fcc recently worked on, that was the charter/time warner merger. why were conditions put on that merger? >> guest: so i should be careful here. that actually, that item is still before the com

. >> monday, on the communicators, republican fcc commissioner michael o'reilly on several key issues racing the fcc like net neutrality. he also comments on the political divide within the fcc. he is joined by the communications daily executive senior editor. aggressivethe most approach to policymaking. when that becomes the first primary goal of the item, when the policy they want to go in becomes the first goal rather than any consideration of any collegiality or any attempt to develop consensus. you wind up with the scenario we have today. there is little interest in bringing other opinions on board. >> watch the communicators monday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span two. look at russia's of economy with the world bank economist. she talks about the effect of sanctions on russia and what the country needs to do to strengthen investment and productivity. the johns hopkins school of advanced international studies hosted the discussion. it is one hour and 15 minutes. mr. lipsky: good afternoon everyone. welcome. to those of you however not members of the community. i am john lipsk

. >> tonight on "the communicators," republican fcc commissioner michael o'reilly on several key issues facing the fcc like net neutrality, spectrum auctions and set-top boxes. he comments on the political divide within the fcc. is joined by howard buskirk. >> the direction from leadership including the chairman to take the most aggressive, leftist approach to policymaking, these little ground when that becomes the first primary goal of the item, when the policy of aggression to want to go becomes the first goal rather than any consideration of any collegiality or any kind of attempt to bring or develop consensus, you wind up with the senate we have today. were initial interest in bringing my opinions on board and you'll find that i'm less likely to be supportive and i will express my views. >> watch tonight at eight eastern on c-span2. >> syrian refugees now living in the u.s. recently took part in the discussion at georgetown university in washington wednesday are expenses on syria and the si

. >> tonight on "the communicators," republican fcc commissioner michael o'reilly on several key issues facing the fcc like net neutrality, spectrum auctions and set-top boxes. he comments on the political divide within the fcc. is joined by howard buskirk. >> the direction from leadership including the chairman to take the most aggressive, leftist approach to policymaking, these little ground when that becomes the first primary goal of the item, when the policy of aggression to want to go becomes the first goal rather than any consideration of any collegiality or any kind of attempt to bring or develop consensus, you wind up with the senate we have today. were initial interest in bringing my opinions on board and you'll find that i'm less likely to be supportive and i will express my views. >> watch tonight at eight eastern on c-span2. >> syrian refugees now living in the u.s. recently took part in the discussion at georgetown university in washington wednesday are expenses on syria and the transition to living in the u.s. or other speakers include the state department representative f

. >> monday, on the communicators, republican fcc commissioner michael o'reilly on several key issues racing the fcc like net neutrality. he also comments on the political divide within the fcc. he is joined by the communications daily executive senior editor. aggressivethe most approach to policymaking. when that becomes the first primary g

that doesn't make sense to me or former fcc commissioner leibowitz and nor does it make a sense to a lot of people. the new competitors in the online advertising market who are trying to pose a competitive threat to incoming players. >> guest: let me build on that. i'm not going to agree with every last thing you said. sorry there is asymmetry there. think about a mobile phone today. we have different privacy regulations that are going to apply to the hardware, the software, the wireless network associated with it, and the online applications you might access and candidly that is far too complicated for consumers. and you shouldn't have to be a network engineer to understand how your information is collected and you shouldn't have to be a lawyer to understand how your information is protected. and i think that across the board we should be thinking from the consumer perspective about how to be consistent on all of those marketplaces. because i think the frameworks that we have in place, which are from a long time ago, and we're wrestling with how to update them, they're too complex.

commissioner ajit pai has been a commissioner of the fcc since may 14, 2012. between 2007 and 2011 commissioner pai held several , positions in the office of general counsel, serving most predominantly as deputy general counsel. prior to being sworn in as commissioner, pai worked in the washington dc office of jenner and block where he was a partner in a communications practice. commissioner pai has served in all three branches of the government, clerking for the honorable martin feldman of the u.s. district and the eastern district of louisiana serving in a number of roles in the department of justice as well as working as chief counsel on the senate judiciary committee. commissioner pai received a ba from harvard university with honors and a j.d. from university of chicago where he was editor of the university of chicago law review. thanks for being here. chairman edith ramirez was sworn in as federal commissioner effective march 4, 2013. prior to joining the commission, ramirez was a litigation partner in the los angeles firm of quinn , emanuel, iraheart, an

[applause] >> tonight on "the communicators" republican fcc commissioner michael o'rielly on several key issues facing the fcc like net neutrality. .. when that becomes the first primary goal of the item when the policy and direction, rather than consideration of any collegiality or attempt to develop consensus. you wind up with the scenario we had today, with little interest to bring in my opinions on board and find less likely support. >> watch the communicators tonight on c-span 2. ♪ >> c-span washington journal live every day with news of policy issues that impact you. coming up this morning, that you gone, addiction services vice president for the national council for behavioral health joins us to discuss the efforts of the organization to lobby congress to pass opioid legislation. national council for behavioral health is pushing for changes to legislation that would make it similar to what the senate has passed. president of citizens united to discuss the latest of campaign 2016 and the influence of money in politics. be sure to watch a c-span's washington journal coming up at

fcc and the subcommittee on this important issue. thank you. >> thank you, chairman ramirez. commissioner ol'hausen. >> chairman flake, ranking member franken, members of the subcommittee, thank you for this opportunity to appear before you today with my ftc and fcc colleagues. we're here because of a side effect of the fcc's open internet order which reclassified broadband as a common carrier service. the ftc act has a common carrier exception, and the fcc's order thus halted my agency's decades-long bipartisan efforts to protect internet service. stepping into the gap the order created the fcc now proposes to regulate broadband isp privacy practices in a manner different from and more restrictive than the privacy framework the ftc has long applied to the entire internet ecosystem, which includes social networks, search engines, ad networks, online retailers, mobile apps, mobile handsets and isps. as our written testimony details, the ftc is the primary u.s. privacy and data protection agency and probably the most active enforcer of privacy laws in the world. we've property hundreds of p

monday on the communicators, republican fcc commissioner michael o'rielly on issues facing the sec likeet neutrality and set-top boxes. the comments on the political divide within the sec. he is joined by howard buskirk, senior editor. >> including the chairman to take the most aggressive, leftist approach to policymaking. there is little graph -- ground when it becomes the first primary goal of the item. when the policy and the direction, rather than any consideration of any collegiality already attempt to bring or develop consensus you might have with the scenario we have today. there is little interest in bringing my opinions on board and you will find i'm less likely to be supportive and i will express my opinions. >> parse the communicators monday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span two. >> now discussion about the legacy of the late justice antonin scalia of -- former law clerks v of the energy california berkeley federalist society. this is an hour and-a-half. >> welcome to the berkeley society's final gathering for this academic year. justice antonin scalia, an exceptional legacy. i

. >> later, two fcc commissioners discuss internet privacy with members of a senate judiciary subcommittee. >> veteran suicide prevention was the focus of a hearing on capitol hill today. representatives from the v.a. and advocacy groups talked about programs to assist veterans and their family members. this house veteran affairs committee hearing about two and lf

commissioner white and i talked about for example, the radical notion the fcc should problems when it is proposed to the four votes on it and allow the market people to have input. we should allow every commissioners office to have a full after opportunity to make their views known prior to a commission for. there's basic process reforms that they would go a long way toward promoting openness transportation and accountability but, unfortunately, the traffic leadership is denied those proposals at every turn. >> guest: i agree. this is for something for congress to decide i congress to decide that congress to decide i is given then the mice used to the extent that asked them. i don't have a problem eliminating or removing parts of the burdens on sunshine band that prevents us from getting together and talking about thing. the spirit that stat is prevent the majority of getting together and decide where exactly things are going to go. i'm not as worried about that. i'm happy to have if that's the case am happy come with circumstances that it occurs so that to me is not in violation but

fcc and the subcommittee on this important issue. thank you. >> thank you, chairman ramirez. commissioner ohlhausen. >> chairman flake, ranking member franken, members of the subcommittee, thank you for this opportunity to appear before you today with my ftc and fcc colleagues. we're here because of a side effect of the fcc's open internet order which reclassified broadband as a common carrier service. the ftc act has a common carrier exception, and the fcc's order thus halted my agency's decades-long bipartisan efforts to protect consumers of internet service. stepping into the gap the order created the fcc now proposes to regulate broadband isp privacy practices in a manner different from and more restrictive than the privacy framework the ftc has long applied to the entire internet ecosystem, which includes social networks, search engines, ad networks, online retailers, mobile apps, mobile handsets and isps. as our written testimony details, the ftc is the primary u.s. privacy and data protection agency and probably the most active enforcer of privacy laws in the world. we've brought h

. >> later, two fcc commissioners discuss internet privacy with members of a senate judiciary subcommittee. >> veteran suicide prevention was the focus of a hearing on capitol hill today. representatives from the v.a. and advocacy groups talked about programs to assist veterans and their family members. this house veteran affairs committee hearing about two and a half hours. [inaudible conversations] >> committee will come to order. good morning, everybody. thank you for being with the committee for today's oversight hearing entitled combating the crisis: evaluating efforts to prevent veteran suicide. as the hearing title suggests, we are here this morning to discuss the ongoing veteran suicide crisis that, according to the latest data available from the department of veterans affairs, finds 22 veterans a day dying at their own hands. i'm disappointed that the v.a. was not able to release updated veteran suicide statistics at this time for this hearing. i understand that the center for disease control finally provided national data to v.a. in the middle of march. considering the critical i

. >> and this week on the "the communicators," fcc commissioner michael o'reilly, republican. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. i want to start with an issue the fcc worked on and that is the charter-time warner merger. why were conditions put on the merger? >> that item is still before the commission so i should be careful. i can tell you i have personally voted on the matter but it is before us so i have to be careful on exactly what i say about such a proceeding. >> host: when you say you have voted on the matter, how did you vote?

fcc and the subcommittee on this important issue. thank you. >> thank you, chairman ramirez. commissioner ol'hausen. >> chairman flake, ranking member franken, members of the subcommittee, thank you for this opportunity to appear before you today with my ftc and fcc colleagues. we're here because of a side effect of the fcc's open internet order which reclassified broadband as a common carrier service. the ftc act has a common carrier exception, and the fcc's order thus halted my agency's decades-long bipartisan efforts to protect internet service. stepping into the gap the order created the fcc now proposes to regulate broadband isp privacy practices in a manner different from and more restrictive than the privacy framework the ftc has long applied to the entire internet ecosystem, which includes social networks, search engines, ad networks, online retailers, mobile apps, mobile handsets and isps. as our written testimony details, the ftc is the primary u.s. privacy and data protection agency and probably the most active enforcer of privacy laws in the world. we've property hundreds of p

. >> next week, "the communicators" talks with the four other fcc commissioners. >> house and senateome and senate come in a session today. the house takes up several bills including energy and water spending legislation and a though dealing with toxic chemicals. [inaudible conversations] >> the subject may be a come to order. without objection from the chair is authorized to declare an recess and reset the committee at anytime and welcomes you. sorry for being a little day. we've called this hearing today to examine a chart 3765 come in the ada education reform act of 2015 and h.r. 241, the access act of 2015, which are to commonsense proposals that require plaintiffs to provide defendant with written notice and an opportunity to correct an alleged ada violation voluntarily before they may file a lawsuit enforce the business owner to include legal costs get these bills come out so they play to cases involving public accommodation would both improve public access for disabled individuals and eliminate thousands of predatory lawsuits and damage that damaged the reputation and its over

commissioner ajit pai has been a commissioner of the fcc since may 14, 2012. een 2007 and 2011 commissioner pai held several positions in the office of general counsel serving most prominently as deputy counsel general, or i'm sorry, deputy general counsel. prior to being sworn in as commissioner, pai worked in the washington, d.c. office of jenner and block where he was a partner in a communications practice. commissioner pai has served in all three branches of the federal government, clerking for the honorable martin feldman of the u.s. district court, and the eastern district of louisiana, serving in a number of roles in the department of justice, as well as working as chief counsel on the senate judiciary committee. commissioner pai received a b.a. from harvard university with honors and a j.d. from university of chicago where he was editor of the university of chicago law review. thanks for being here. chairman edith ramirez was sworn in for the federal trade mission and was designated to serve as ftc chairwoman effective march 4, 2013. prior to joining th

commissioner ajit pai has been a commissioner of the fcc since may 14, 2012, between 2007 and 2011 commissioner pai held several positions in the office of general counsel serving most predominantly as deputy general counsel. prior to being sworn in as commissioner, pai worked in the office of jenner and block where he was a partner in a communications practice. commissioner pai has served in all three branches of the government, clerking for the u.s. district and the eastern district of louisiana serving in a number of roles in the department of justice as well as working as chief counsel on the senate judiciary committee. commissioner pai received a baxt from harvard university with honors and a j.d. from university of chicago where he was editor of the university of chicago law review. thanks for being here. chairman edith ramirez -- was designated to serve as ftc chairwoman effective march 4, 2013, prior to joining the commission, ramirez was a litigation partner in the los angeles firm of quinn emanuel iraheart and sullivan. before then, ramirez was an associate of gibson dunn and crutcher

commissioners of the fcc, jessica rosenworcel, ajit pai, michael o'reilly and commissioner clyburn. >> borne out from the internet and television expo were trained to hold earlier this month in boston. remarks from former fcc chair michael powell, "huffington post" arianna huffington, john king, univision's jorge ramos and comcast president and ceo, brien roberts. they discussed a range of issues including fcc's proposed a set-top box rule, the changing landscape of television, the 2016 presidential race and upcoming coverage plans for the former olympic games. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to boston into intx 2016. on behalf a ncta, we are happy to greet you, and start off this morning action on transactions and t. have a great show. >> absolutely, pat. delighted to be here as well. it's exciting to be at the second member intx. this year we are going to take a look at disruption and how really to embrace it if you will for creativity and innovation. it should be exciting. when you look at webster, it tells us disruption is to break apart or to throw the disorder. but in our bus

. >> this has been the communicators in boston, commissioners of the fcc, thank you very much. [applause] >> you have been watching the communicators. if you would like to see previous programs coded c-span.org. >> on sunday, june 5 book tv with author and publisher. the editor-in-chief of forbes magazine and was aa republican candidate in the 1996 and 2,000 presidential primaries. the author of many books which focus on politics and economics. his recent titles include power, ambition, glory which compares the leaders of the ancient world with modern business leaders. mr. forbes recently appeared to discuss his latest book reviving america. >> having profound implications. >> we do it everywhere around the world. it comes from mistakes. the nice thing about policy errors is they can be corrected. those errors can be corrected. that is why we wrote the book reviving america focusing on three big reforms. you have to have priorities. we prioritize of healthcare, new tax code, getting our monetary system back on track for the 1st time in almost half a century. >> deforms live on

announcer: monday on the communicators, commissioner michael o'rielly on several key facing the fcc like net neutrality, set-top taxes, and the political divide in the fcc. editor.ined by a senior o'rielly: this approach to policymaking, when that becomes the first primary goal and the policy and direction becomes the first goal rather orn the end consideration collegiality or any attempt to bring or develop consensus. -- what up with we have we have today. you will find i have much more likely to support and express my ideas. announcer: watch the communicators on monday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span two. honoringt, representative john lewis followed by first lady michelle obama speaking to graduates at jackson's eight university. later, former secretary of state henry kissinger. >> this week, the u.s. holocaust memorial museum honors representative john lewis. he worked alongside martin luther king, junior, and other prominent leaders. this ceremony is 35 minutes. ♪ announcer: ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the museum vice chair, allan holt. >> good evening, everyone. it's

so many more important reforms that we could and should adopt, commissioner riley and i have talked about the radical notion that the fcc should pope push what it's went to do before it actually votes on it allow the american people to have input. we should allow every commissioners office to have a full opportunity to have his or her views known prior to a commission vote. there are some very basic process reforms and it would go a long way towards openness and transparency in accountability. the fcc leadership is denied those proposals that a return. >> i groove my colic. colic. this is something for congress to decide. i've given them my views. and i don't have a problem eliminating or removing parts of the burden on the sunshine band to get and prevent from getting together. the spirit of the statute is to prevent the majority of getting together to decide where things are going to go. i'm not as worried about that. i'm happy that we have circumstances in place. that seems to be not a violation in law but circumstances play out that way. i'm fine if that's the case. i'm happy to have all my colic sit around. i think

. >> commissioners the board fund to funds are recommended with the fcc. >> excuse me - >> the fund to are registered through the fcc but the actual direct funds how do you - >> you're asking about the domicile where their recommends it is common you know that messing are was domicile ed and became an island we're evaluating from the process of working to build a custom program for us we'll have a lot more discretion to determine where the vehicle is domicileed. >> we'll - whatever makes the most sense and. >> is that a shall or any. >> (clapping) >> we make decisions all the time in venture capital private equity a look at the private equity maybe robert can opine but given the taxation those are the key drivers in the determination whether it is onshore or offshore. >> but the issue in terms of who will cover the account i noticed one the compensates has not worked there are no - we would like to have senior people representing us. >> which firm are you asking about. >> i think that was ax i can't. >> educating republican joined in february your recommendation from ax i can't they co

. >> commissioners the board fund to funds are recommended with the fcc. >> excuse me - >> the fund to are registered through the fcc but the actual direct funds how do you - >> you're asking about the domicile where their recommends it is common you know that messing are was domicile ed and became an island we're evaluating from the process of working to build a custom program for us we'll have a lot more discretion to determine where the vehicle is domicileed. >> we'll - whatever makes the most sense and. >> is that a shall or any. >> (clapping) >> we make decisions all the time in venture capital private equity a look at the private equity maybe robert can opine but given the taxation those are the key drivers in the determination whether it is onshore or offshore. >> but the issue in terms of who will cover the account i noticed one the compensates has not worked there are no - we would like to have senior people representing us. >> which firm are you asking about. >> i think that was ax i can't. >> educating republican joined in february your recommendation from ax i can't they co

want to ask this of all the commissioners, do you have a chance commissioner o'reilly, to see some of the complaints that come into the fcc with regard to cable, particularly content and delivery? >> both. i do get a number of complaints that come directly to me. have an opportunity to talk to the consumer and governmental affairs at brio role and talk about consumer complaints they're getting. i have that opportunity to see what is developing from consumers in the marketplace. to be quite frank, there's number of people that are generally happy with their service and they're not the ones writing to us. it is those that have the biggest concern or maybe some of them are little unhinged. >> we all have public it counts, think all of us monitor from time to time. we have regular visits from the consumer and government affairs bureau that they help reinforce reinforce that. most of the feedback i get i have to say is complaint driven. but i get quite a few at the fcc in terms of those people who are saying we are on the right track but were doing certain things. you naturally, when things are going well, you usually it's usu

rest of the commissioners this is a proposal of a regional housing trust fund that comes to supplement the funding that is available at the local level we're working in coordination with fccnd a retreat to discuss the components that comes to support that in addition to this housing fund there is an infrastructure funding that will go in parallel with this effort we're hoping to bring you a summer summary of those projects with the housing trust fund. >> yeah. no, i'm very interested in this project but interested overall in the developments potential in these areas and the p da and figuring out i'm sure you've looked at where we have control and there is potential development but even parcels in the p da we don't have control but are vacant a possibility to negotiate with the lymph gland great to have 3 buckets one that move forward that needs a little bit to get across the finish line and parcels we have second control and but you know we need to there's a lot more to figure out and finally, the papers we don't have site control but the list if we want to go and pursue the development in the parcels. >> this is good we'll take that san francisco has a sophisticated soft