i think president -- fdr is a natural, not such good hair.ut i also think that john kennedy, when you save a nation and a world from armageddon, you get to be on the mountain. >> and he looked good up there. >> i think the cuban missile crisis. >> and ronald reagan. >> and president reagan, who i think was a natural step in finding what we've always found in the country, which is a kind of democratic lower-case d synthesis. >> i'm surprised by jfk. obviously a martyred president who really -- whose assassination shaped how a generation of historians and writers have looked towards him as a fallen good-looking president. do you really think that jfk will fare well 50 years from now? >> i -- yes. and i base this on my friend ev evan's treatment of the cuban missile crisis in his book about bobby kennedy, because when you think about a young president in his 40s, the son of an appeaser, sitting around in a room having his manhood and his courage challenged by generals over nuclear missiles and his having the courage to compromise and to make the

fdr was actually on a cruise. i guess you can't blame him. three years earlier, after you refuse to include medical coverage as part of the social security act because he did not want to antagonize the american medical association. he did send a message of support, but not long after the outbreak of world war ii first president's attention elsewhere. five years later in january 11, in a in a state of the union address, roosevelt spoke to the american people about the war and especially the piece the allies plan to establish after fascism. he said the one supreme object is for the future can be summed up in one word, security. that means not only physical security which provides safety from attacks by aggressors, and it's also economic security and social security. the individual political right upon which the united states had been built, was not argued, were necessary, but not sufficient to carry t. true freedom and security. fdr announced an economic liberates, which is sometimes called the second bill of rights. it included the right to a

fdr was actually on a cruise. i guess we can't really blame him, pretty well deserved vacation the three years earlier, fdr had refused to include medical coverage as part of the social security act because he did not want to antagonize the american medical profession. he did send a message of support to the conference but not long afterward the outbreak of world war ii force the president's attention elsewhere. five years later on january 11th, 1944, in his state of the union address roosevelt spoke to the american people about the war and especially about the kind of peace the allies planned to establish after the defeat of fascism. one supreme objective for the future can be summed up in one word, security. and that means not only physical security which provide safety from attacks by aggressors, but also economic security and social security. the individual political rights upon which the united states enveloped roosevelt argued when necessary but not sufficient to guarantee true freedom and security. fdr anno

where do i put my ambitions and fdr once said i'm like a cat. i know when to pounce and when to pull back. i think the fact that he did not mention gun control makes him understand that unless he can argue public sentiment to overcome the enormous special interest, that's going to be a much harder one. immigration right at the top. and that's the one where he can mobilize that base. it's the base that elected him. it's going to make it harder for republicans. if he were to get immigration through, he starts on a successful platform and then maybe moves to other ones, like entitlements. >> there is incentive for republicans to cooperate on immigration. >> the sad thing for fiscal cliff is we'll be stuck in trench warfare for another couple of years. make sure you do it with a bush type comprehensive package. then you break the trench warfare. you get some from column "a" and column "b," and then maybe you can do the things you want to do. the second big issue, the same thing for a coalition is tax reform. >> but the question tom raises when we're

. >> this is supposedly a big moment in the fdr movie about fdr feeding hot dogs to the queen. >> tod george -- right. >> there you go. >> plus, nbc's tom brokaw joins the table. you all are tiring me. that's ahead on "morning joe." [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. the lexus december to remember sales event is on. this is the pursuit of perfection. >>> you can always go back. >> i love it. president obama, bill and hillary clinton, egyptian president mohamed morsi. i'm pausing for effect. please stop. yahoo! ceo marisa mayer. they are among the finalists for "time" magazine person of the year. we'll reveal who it is coming up next on "morning joe." [ male announcer ] families grow up but some things never get old... marie callender's dutch apple pie with fresh fuji apples and a crust made from scratch... it makes home at the holidays even sweeter. marie callender's. it's time to savor. >>> you were wonderful tonight, young man. >> what do you mean? >> just what i said. you were graceful. you w

bill murray playing president fdr and wife eleanor.w york. at this time, the monarchs are trying to rein support from fdr getting ready to go to war with germany. however, international happenings, coupled with fdr mistresses make the weekend a little memorable. >> he is definitely younger than i had imagined. for a king. you know? >> is he? >> they both seem nervous. that surprised me. >> without some help from us -- i would be nervous too. >> the l.a. times says bill murray shines as fdr in "hyde park on hudson." however rotten reviews from rotten tomatoes, 47% >> looks good. bill murray fun to watch. our next movie deadfall, starring sissy spasek. two siblings on the run from a heist that went wrong. try to leave. have a bad car accident, not deadly leaves them stranded. make a run for it in whiteout blizzard conditions evolves into a weird drama that build to this climatic showdown. >> we're going to split up. they don't know anything about you. you were just a distraction. >> i don't like the plan. >> i didn't ask you if you look

how did president obama weighed down bay jobless rate higher than any incumbent since fdr win 332 electoral votes, sweep 8 of the 9 battleground states and have his party pick up senate seats to get to 55? as the republican party looks ahead to 2016, here are lessons hopefuls might want to keep in mind. lesson one, if you don't define yourself, your opponent will do it for you. ads and timing matter. romney let the president's early attacks go largely unanswered. romney's campaign answered after a long, expensive primary to choose how to spend at the time limited funds and tested better they claim than bio spots or defenses of his personal record. in the end, obama beat romney by ten points. on the economic values question that was this, which candidate is more in touch with people like you? 53% said romney's policies would favor the rich. 10% said that the about the president's policies and romney, first republican nominee in the history of our nbc sls "wall street journal" poll and ended with a painful number, 47% of the voters viewing him positively. the obama campaign was also able to g

president obama weighed down by a jobless rate higher than any incumbent seeking re-election since fdr win 323 electoral votes, sweep 8 of 9 battleground seats? as the republican party picks up the pieces and looks ahead to 2016, here are lessons hopefuls from both parties might want to keep mind. if you don't define yourself, your opponent will do it for you. romney let the president's early attacks on his personal wealth and business background go largely unanswered. romney's campaign argued after a long and expensive primary, they had to choose how to spend at the time, limited funds, and they had to claim it was better than defenses of his personal record. in the end, obama beat romney by ten points. on the economic values question that was this, which candidate is more in touch with people like you. 53% said romney's polauolicies d favor the rich. just 10% said that about the president's policies. and romney, the first republican nominee in the history of our poll to go into a convention with his personal rating under water and campaign with a painful number, just 47% of voters vi

you still had people -- hubert humphrey was still running in 1 1968 as an fdr democrat. one question i have is, is this wave of democrats, and is obama himself a sui generous figure or is he a kiclintonian figure? >> i addressed some of this. the "r" word, realignment, is something that people are talking about. there was a reagan realignment, and basically you could argue that this is finally the end of the reagan realignment, and there's a kind of obama realignment now. so the question is, is this realignment inheritable? one of the things michael discovered with all of the work that he did with the numbers crunchers is that they started to find in the last six or seven weeks of the campaign these supposedly undecided people who didn't like politics, didn't like realms, didn't like democrats. you know what? they like barack obama. they saw him as someone who was outside of politics. even the first debate which we asked him about, and he had a hilarious answer about, even the first debate they thought, well, yeah, he's not playing the game. so the question is, this -- w

what if we found out about fdr's misbehavior and what if we threw fdr out of office as the economy was recovering? all the way back to the french and indian war, very young george washington was writing romantic letters to a woman who was not mrs. washington. her name was sally terry fairfax, very attractive, older, sophisticated woman. what if washington letters have become public during the french and indian war or the revolutionary war? but just petraeus' e-mails became public and what if we got rid of george washington? bill clinton is not the first and not the worst in petraeus is not the first for the worse. in there ,-com,-com ma done that and there's a long history in infected pains me to say that even abraham lincoln visited a prostitute. i know, say it isn't so, right? but it happened. the details are sketchy and there's not a lot of letters written about this but here is what we can piece together. lincoln's best friend was joshua. >> speed and speed was as dashing and handsome and quote unquote lucky with the ladies as lincoln was unlucky and awkward and romance. speed felt

wz fdr had more. >> always had more. >> that is true, i think there is a power relationship but there is also the human relationship. church sill an i mentionly emotional person and we talked about his respect for courage, military courage. franklin roosevelt showed huge courage of a different sort by fighting against polio. this is a man who has nothing below his waist, you know. and churchill is deeply moved by roosevelt's courage literally every day in being president of the united states when you know, are you so infirm. and he says on a couple of occasions after the war, after roosevelt's death, he sort of stopped the conversation, he looks out the window and he said i really loved that man. and there was something very emotional there build that warmth of appreciation. >> also very touching the way, you know, he wanted him to go and see the pyramids. he took him all the way to marrakesh to see the sun going down on the atlas. that was something he wanted to share with him the things that he liked. >> i think he felt rather letdown at the end. >> yes. >> but on the other hand the

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so before oss was created, for example, fdr had so many challenge toward him every day from different interpretations of the same intelligence object. so the president had to make his own position as to what is the best way. so analysis took place in the white house in the president mind. he made the decision. now, with oss, with the analysis in it, national leaders, everybody had to listen to the briefer an appraiser would would tell them this is exactly what happened, this is exactly what happened. so the president became kind of lazy making his own decisions. that was very dangerous because you created this intelligence of monopoly. and keep in mind oss was the principal centralizing intelligence agency. we always tried to centralized bureaucracy. the things that happened after pearl harbor exactly same thing happened after 9/11. monopoly of access to the president, and that is good because it has one voice, but sometimes world affairs were not really measurable exactly. so you have interpretations of information. with a centralized system, you do not have that normally. not actual

president obama, weighed down by a jobless rate, higher than any incumbent seeking reelection since fdr win 332 electoral votes, sweep 8 of the 9 battleground states and have his party pick up senate seats to get to 55? as the republican party picks up the pieces and looks ahead to 2016, here are four lessons that 2016 hopefuls from both parties might want to keep in mind. lesson one, don't define yourself. your opponent will do it for you. ads and timing matter. romney let the president's early attacks on his personal wealth and business background go largely unanswered. romney's campaign argued they had to choose how to spend at the time what was limited funds and adds about what romney would do about president tested better, they claim, than bio spots or defenses of his personal record. in the end, obama beat romney by ten points on the question of which candidate is more like you? romney, the first republican nominee in the history of our nbc/"wall street journal" poll go into his convention with his personal rating under water, ended his campaign with a painful number, just 47% of

fdr needed him wonderfully. i love the story about washington. fdr was intent on getting the jefferson memorial built and dedicated in parts of the democrats to compete with the republicans and lincoln. the lincoln memorial. >> everything is political. >> it's all local and legacy and things change of course. >> and they don't. >> and they don't. >> john meachem, a wonderful book. something everybody should have performed and stuffed under the hanukkah bushes or christmas tree. >> it's nail biting time as the cliff gets closer and as one of the daily run down friends puts it, president obama's comment is getting bourqued. first the white house soup of the day for all you folks in hawaii, it's coconut shrimp. it won't taste too good with all the snow i have going on behind me. check out our website. run down.msnbc.com. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i

even though fdr missed hearing forest's speech, there's echoes in the second bill of rights. the idea of economic and social rights as a central supplement in political rights started as far back in the french revolution, but it was more recent, and discussion of this right became prominent in the 19 # 30s and 40s, first of all because medical care itself was becoming more effective. it was starting to matter much more in everyone's lives. before the public knew of medical miracles like surgeries, treatments that could save lives and extend life, and to with hold these miracles came to seem unjust. medical care cost more than before. the average family could not afford to pay for a hospital stay or major illness or the birth of a child just out of their wages. for medical care was not just a mat ere of life and health, but it was also becoming something that could cause serious financial hardship. that is why medical care was a matter of economic security as well as health security. in the u.s., the demands for medical care as a social right, moves in the political movement r

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they had good intentions when fdr started it in 1938 and in the '90s, bill clinton wanted to see moreer income people to become homeowners. they couldn't pay the loans. you could see something in a boom time and bad time it doesn't work. so here we have the government guaranteeing private banks making bad loans. it was formula that was destined to go down. we should liquidate fannie mae and freddie mac at some point. >> whenever the government keeps control of these things, everything from salaries to everything else gets out of control? >> well, to me, rich nailed it in a sense it's a larger question why is government in the business of propping up home ownership. it gets us in trump. the organizations have gone in and out of quasi governmental status and there is not a lot of accountability. if the organizations were the books of the u.s. government it would make us look like greece tomorrow. instead, they are in like netherland so stuff like this happens. >> we're beginning to look like greece right now. but some things have improved. prices have gone up but that is supply and dema

they had good intentions when fdr started it in 1938 and in the '90s, bill clinton wanted to see moreer income people to become homeowners. they culdn't pay the loans. you could see something in a boom time and bad time it doesn't work. so here we have the government guaranteeing private banks making bad loans. it was formula that was destined to go down. we should liquidate fannie mae and freddie mac at some point. >> whenever the government keeps control of these things, everything from salaries to everything else gets out of control? >> well, to me, rich nailed it in a sense it's a larger question why is government in the business of propping up home ownership. it gets us in trump. the organizations have gone in and out of quasi governmental status and there is not a lot of accountability. if the organizations were the books of the u.s. government it uld make us look like greece tomorrow. instead, they are in like netherland so stuff like this happens. >> we're beginning to look like greece right now. butome things have improved. prices have gone up but that is supply and demand is

in ordero keep these people on foodtamps, we got to -- >> and creating a sense of depeppedency from fdr and bill clinton and senators . this is not just republicans and conservatives. >> that is it a valid. if you want to reform welfare to resolve the problems that you are raising. they are valid problems . we will not mix it up b condemning people who need help right now because times are bad. people need to fee their families. >> but victoria. are we advocating policiless at keep poor people poor? >> i think we are. rick to your point about families. the oama stimulus plan made it easier for childless jobless people to get on the food stamp program. we should revisit that now. the scary fact. looking at a 30 year period. only two presidents that have reduced the anticipation rate of the food stamp is clinton, bless hiseart and reagan: >> when you look at what this particular administration ha done a. you can see a lot of policiless to dismantle the attempt to get bac to work fare that we saw inhe clinton administration, right? >> yeah, but victoria's point about reagan and clinton. we

bill murray playing the charming fdr, laying it on the king of england. -- i haven't seen that movie yet. what did you make of it? >> it's a strange kind of movie, very shapeless. but there's something very interesting going on now, as you learn more about the lives of great men, you learn that sexually, they were more twisted than even bill clinton could conceive of on his kinkier days. to think that so much was going on behind the scenes of fdr, from his polio, you know, from the fact that the country was never allowed to see him in his wheelchair, being pushed around, and the idea that he had this entire harem of lovers, some of them his cousins, it just, you know, it sort of makes you realize just how naive we are in terms of how we're able to understand our -- >> put me down as a skeptic about all of that, except lucy rutherford. and the lucy rutherford relationship was very real. i don't know about these other ones. i wouldn't call it a harem. who else is in this harem of yours, david, i think you're overstating this. give me some names. >> there's

why does fdr get to sit down. >> i can lick him. >> you cannot. >> we're wearing almost the compaq sametie t would be like licking myself. >> something i've also dreamed of doing. >> that i don't mind but not ronald reagan. >> i don't mind it either but all the hot-- isn't bringing that around. all right. i'm from the future. got to get out. >> can i lick him. >> no, please don't. >> why, you seem pretty up set just now. before you said no, now you seem up set. >> i'm getting up set. >> you're getting up set. why, why is this one so special, why does it up set you to ask if i can lick lincoln. >> you can't lick any of our wax figures. >> but this is the one that somehow broke the camel's back for you. something happened. >> one of our most popular president. >> yeah, i would say our most popular president. >> agreed. >> i seem to have a little more reference for these presidents than you do. lincoln i think if anybody should be able to lick him it should be i. you understand. i apologize. apologize for him. >> okay. so here we have tiger woods. >> this is harriet tubman. >> so technical

lincoln saved him, tiahrt, fdr managed to internationalize it. the story of america is always on folding and is always provisional. but by and large we have been lucky with these human beings who managed to transcend the flaw may be just for 15 minutes sometimes, but those are an important 15 minutes. i will leave you with this. jefferson was driven by this idea. the life of the lighted the life of the country were inexplicably linked into the purpose of humanity was to discover, to innovate, to learn everything we could because there were so many mysteries to unlock. he put the artifacts from the lewis and clark expedition in the room in the white house and invited people to come in. he also put to grisly cubs on the white house lawn and that didn't work out quite as well. the was cut against the whole bipartisan thing depending on who they mauled. but the discovery, innovation, spirit better than today. this wasn't just happy talk letter after letter and storm after stride in crisis jefferson returned to the fema again and again and again and o

visionary speech by an american president in the 20th 20th century -- >> the freedom speech. >> and fdr and a couple others that are wonderful. but this is a great speech. in june of 1963, basically says, let's end the cold war, and he is reaching out. so he is responding. both are reaching out to each other. they signed the test ban treaty. the limited test ban treaty, which is a major milestone, major victory. a series of things that have taken place during this time. kennedy also learned some other lessons, and one of them, after the bay of pigs-was, don't trust the central intelligence agency, don't trust the cia and the joint chiefs. he said i'm going to destroy the cia and tear it into a thousand pieces and scatter them in the wind. so he has a lot of enemies. >> he fired -- >> the cia, and he puts the cia operative under the ambassadors in various countries. so we see kennedy -- we all changed our mind after the cuban missile crisis. we see a new kennedy, visionary kennedy. >> only a couple more years to live. >> that's a tragedy. >> why do they call it dulles airport. i find tha

the other thing, every time the tax rate habeenried to stick it to the rich. 91% tax rates during fdrears and failed misably and they've gone bacand ended up lowering the rate. it's such a good idea and look for historical examples where it worked. it hasn't worked. if julian wants so much the clinton tax rates, that's fine, i'll go along with that if we had the clinton era vernment spending which we don't. >> brenda: okay. all right, we've got to go. thanks, guys. so, see this? last year, it was a union uproar in wisconsin and now we're seeing this. a different state, same scene, neil and his gang saying all taxpayers should be paying attention. that's at e bottom of the hour, but up here first, did you hear this? >> our people in an overwhelming supported this president and there ought to be a quid pro quo. >> brenda: a detroit council woman demanding a bailout after voting the president in. guess where the president is heading on monday? should taxpayeyeyeyeyeyennel. i'll sd you back to bulls and bears, me headlines just 30 mines away. >> we showed youhe votes. now show us the mone

>> i don't think he bluffed marshall or fdr, but, of course, he was a good politician. he was a great politician. he used to say he didn't like politics, but the approval rating of president was 65%, a number modern politicians would kill for. he was very good. the way he did it, and i'm not the first to discover it, but he had the great gift of being underestimated and how useful it was to be underestimated, and so montgomery could swan around, and churchill could bluster, and patton could be patton, and eisenhower kept it steady because he knew he was in charge. he let other people have the glory and blow off the steam, but at the end. -- but at the end of the day, he was running the show. he was marvelous at it. nothing preabs you to be president, but running the liberation of europe is not a bad preparation. [laughter] on the first night in office, he writes in the diary, "plenty of troubles and challenges ahead, but, you know, in a way, it feels like a continuation of what i did since 1941 and before." he was unphased by the job. he was profoundly affected to have

this would be enough on its own, had fdr and eleanor been given depth and the movie has to do with fdra lecherous manipulator and eleanor is only present for about five minutes. the female we follow in the movie is franklin's third cousin, played by a bland laura lainney. maybe she's a bit dim because she is just thrilled to be in his presence, maybe he's intimate with every woman he meets because he has nothing else to do. bill murray is fine but the film is a waste of what could have been a smart story instead of a unbelievably sexy soap opera. fdr is afar more than this. two hats. any day now, flight, life of pi, argo, the sessions, lincoln canada county, thank you for joining connie clark. >> those were also nominated for golden globes, you can go to the movies of this cold and crisp day. >> absolute, we have some rainfall... but a relatively mild storm and slowly starting to work its way towards the bay area. here is a live look with moisture that is still hovering over northern california. we have a timed it out on futurecast. the morning will be dry but as we look for this after

>> at a time whenen the country had much more stable families and divorceates were very low we had fdr and eisenhower and kennedy, a president who obviously had affairs, and they were not penalized. dulles has an airport named after him. >> a different dollars. >> it is aer the family. [laughter] -- a differerent dulles. >> may be it was the diamond- giving that did it. the irony is that in a time when divorce rates are 50%, and we react with this sort of extrememe reaction when n we have a case of that happening with a a high official -- >> i think he shoulde punished. he should pay a price, the public price apologize, be shamed, and he would be, b why can he not go back to work? >> i cannot answer that. let me ask you ather question -- to members congress read polls? it is a seriousuestion. a month ago, the gallup ll had their approvaval rating at 18%. i will put a positive spin on thatat -- it i an improvovement over august where it was 10%. you would think that during their wewell-earned chrisas break, both of us would have found a wayy to come together and get something done. >> t

ike from the right, fdr from the left, each of them admiring lincoln. there's a quote, a famous quote about the role of government. talk about something contemporary. well, both eisenhower and fdr regarded it as their favorite lincoln quote. in fact, barack obama quoted from the same passage in his state of the union address. >> i'm a democrat. but i believe what republin abraham lincoln believed-- that government should do for people only what they cannot do better by themselves and no more. ( applause ) >> you can take away from lincoln almost anything that you want. presidents in war time, embattled presidents, unpopular presidents-- they all look to lincoln. he's their patron saint, because no president was more embattled or more unpopular than lincoln was during his presidency. we think he was born on mount rushmore. noto. theodore roosevelt hung his picture in the president's office and said, "whenever i have a major decision to make, i always ask myself would lincoln would do." woodrow wilson, who was a son of the south, who remembered seeing jef

t.r., fdr managed to internationalize it. and the story of america is always unfolding, it's always provisional. but by and large, we've been lucky in these flawed human beings who have managed to transcend their flaws maybe just for 15 minutes sometimes, but those were important 15 minutes. i'll leave you with this: jefferson was driven by this idea, i'll end where we began, that the life of the mind and the life of the country were inextricably linked and that the purpose of humanity was to discover, was to innovate, was to learn everything we could because there were so many mysteries to unlock. he put the artifacts from the lewis and clark expedition and bones from zeb loan pike in a room in the white house and invited people to come in. he also put two grizzly cubs on the white house lawn. that did not work out quite as well. [laughter] that would sort of cut against the whole bipartisan thing, actually, depending on who they mauled. [laughter] discovery, innovation, the spirit, tomorrow can be better than today. this is

. >> at a time when divorce rates were low and america had more stable marriages, we had fdr, eisenhower, kennedy that had affairs. they were not penalized. dulles has an airport named after him. >> different dulles. >> the family. may be it washe diamond-giving everyear that d it -- maybe it was the diamond- giving every year that did it. the irony is that he is at a time when divorce rates are 50%, and we react with this sort of extreme reaction when we have a case of that happening with a high official. >> i think he should apologize. he should be punished. he should pay a public price. apologize, be shamed, and he would be, but why can he not go back to work? >> i cannot swer that. lemesk you another question -- do members of congress read polls? it is a serious question. approvalago, congress' rating was 18%, an improvement over august where it was 10%. if this good deal -- the fiscal could deal -- the fiscal cliff deal. you think during their well- earned christmas break, both sides would find a way to come together and do something. >> this is n the fault of congress. congress is

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how many times did he ask fdr to get into the war? >> at one point, he took to begging. he asked for destroyers. fdr said no. then he said maybe. then the first five or six dribbled in. they were rustbuckets. he told congress -- more last -- look at the deal i just made. we gave them drunk. at one point that summer, churchill i asked roosevelt to declare war. he was desperate. and so after a few brandies, and you will see churchill's saying "those americans are not good americans. they want us to bleed to death and come in and pick up everything for free." at one point he talked about having everyone in england mill there wedding rings to raise $10 million worth of gold to buy american goods. to shame the americans. they did not do that. >> how much did winston churchill expect japan to get into the war? >> one of the things in doing this, i had to look at what is he interested in? what is in his head? he was interested in norway, sumatra, not japan, not the pacific. his knowledge of geography, the politics, the military situation was not there. he admits in his memoirs