navy federal credit union. pink so she's a princess. you got a problem with that? oorah oorah open to the armed forces and their families for over 80 years. navy federal credit union. vago: over the past several years, russia has increasingly threaten neighbors with nuclear weons. russia said it would target denmark if copenhagen joined nato's missile defense program. i asked exander verershbowow denmark should respond to rising nuclear rhetoric. ambassador vershbow: it is clelear the russians are flnting their nuclear capability, holding nuclear exercises and talking about their nuclear capabilities as part of their messaging. and maybe this is just rhetoric, but it is very irresponsible nonetheless. the threats against the danes which is the latest example of this -- this is not new. they me similar threats against romania and poland, which wille hosting missile-defense facilities as well. we are simply not going to be swayed in any way by t this. first of all, missile-defense is defensive. it does not threaten russia. it does not threaten their strategic deteence because of the lotion of our systems. we just have to keep countering this outrageous rhetoric wit the facts and make clear we are ing toto continue to do what we need to defend oursees. missile-defense is about iran and other third country threats not russia. as far as what we need to do with nuclear policy and posture allies think we still have an effective posture which includes some numbers which we don't account for, tactical nuclear weapons in europe. and of course, we are b backeup by the u.s. s strategic arsenal plus the u.k. nuclear force andnd the french. not integrated, but they have nuclear weapons. posture is effective. but we are reviewing the implications of this increased russian attention to nuclear weapons as to whether we need to step up exercises and take other steps to make sure that there is no doubt about the effectiveness of our deterrent. vago: do -- does nato -- natoo has made a big pnt to deploy forces to the border states with russia, to the baltics, poland, hungarian romaa, u.s. forceand nato forces. that has been a reassurance exercise that t there are tse who say those forces are not significant enough to deter russisia, that russia has managed quite a bit of mayhem, grabbg the estonian intelligenence officer confiscating lithuanian fishing boats. those of those remain in russian captivity. are those enough h forces, andd are you convinced that is enough of a deterrence to stop moscow from invading a nato member nation? ambassador vershshbow: when you look at the bigger picture, it is enough. we have to keep those under review as the situation develo. the forces the u.s. and allies are rotating to the baltics to poland, o other eastern european countries, are very important not just to reassure the host country, but to deter the e russians and any other aggressor. they are also combined with this enhanced capability to reinforce , a spearheaforce that can bring as much as 5000 troops him within a couple of days, backed up by an expanded nato response forcrce, which will grow to 30,000 troops. they go has more capability than that. when you do the beanount between nato and russia we have significant milittary advantes in just about every area. we are going to have command-and-control, a logistics presence in each country so we can facilitate reinforcements. some of the other threats asymmetrical or hybrid threats do call for other kinds of capabiliti so we can respond really fast, even before wknow for certain what kind of actions are happening, whether it is aggression or just some local provocation. vago: for example secretary-general stoltenberg has discussed ththat. what things are you going to have to put in place? the naturef that combined conventional, military, and other assets -- the little green men -- you could have a crisis on your hands before you probabably recognize a crisis. ambassador vershbow: exactly which means we have to raise the quality and speed of intelligence sharing within nato. it means the countries on the front lines in particular have to assure there is a real-time flow of information not only from external services, watching over the horizon whether the russians are revving up their engines, but what is goining on in theieir own country, in terms of internal security threats suspicious activities, protests that suddenly pop up out of nowhere, attacks on infrastructure, natural disasters -- natural disasters maybe we can handle, but unnatural disasters. we need that to flow into nato. we need the ability to interpret this in real time so that our decision-makers castart dealing with the problem liliterally within days of the first indicators appearing, and then deciding on actions, means we also need a range of actions to take. we are deploying the spearhead force that is one option. we have to be able to do that. but we need smaller scale tions, so we can get there even before the sittion is fully clear. vago: isis isis a threat toto europe, in part because of the fighters going to fight in syria and iraq, as well as the danger of european radicalized europeans, who are going to come back with some of those skills. we saw "charlie hebdo" and other self-radicalized attacks in europe over the past couple of years. talk about the role nato has in that fight, and whher finding isis more broadly might become the next nato mission. ambassador vershbow: we are all quite seized with the mushrooming threat that is fretting across north afra -- spreading across north africa. isis poses a unique set of challenges in many ways perhaps more challenging than al qaeda because of this caliphate mission, erasing borders. we are taking it seriously. where nato will fitit into the response is kind of a worork in progress. the issue of foreign fighters is somethin where we are exchanging intelligence, trying to improve the flow of intelligence. but it is not really nato's responsibility. this is more interernal curity u.s./eu business. where we might get more involved is both being sure we are always ready in case there is direct threat to our territory -- and that could happen on the turkish border. it could evenn happen acss the mediterranean. but i think the bigger role we are looking to play is, , how can we shore up the countries that are still struggling to survive and thstand the threat from isis, to get to the roots of the oblem? and that is assisting them with buililding up their own defense capabilities, their own dense institutions, helping them with strategic munication's encounter messaging -- strategic communications and encounter messaging. the european union can also assist these countries in building up theirr political institutions their economies looking at the different social factors that create this swampmp in which isis can grow. so capacity building is the buzzword, or defense capacity building. that is going to be the biggest role for nato. we do not have a lot of resoces to do this. i hope as we look to the summit in warsaw that nations willl backup this very sensible strategy with sourceces to make it work. vago: in afghanistan, the president of the united states said the united states will keep 10,000 troops through the end of the fighting season this year. nato was a vy important part of the afghanistan m mission. what is going to be the continuing nato role in afghanistan? ambassador vershbow: ihink in lighght of what the u.s. . has decided in tms of the pace of their drawdown, allies will need to take the necessary decicisions to stay in rou lockstep with the u.s. i think there is going to be broad support for this stuff, give the afghans a little bit more time when we are at ful strength, with the hub and spoke footprint we now have, before we drawdown to a kabul-centered approach. looking beyond the current two-year mission, nato, i think is already discussing with the afghans a longer-term partnership that would have continued training and an assistance component to it, as well as possible other forms of capacity building, political engagement. you know, , it may be like the u.s. long-term presence, based in the capital, nonot beyond the wire. buwe think nato hasn't -- has an important investment to protect and an important role e to play. vago: this seminar was an portant calelendar item for the alliance. talk about what you accomplished. much of the meeting was behind closed doors. what are some of the challenges to tackle in the coming months? ambassador vershbow: it has been an opportunity to have cross-fertilization betetween allied officials, both syllable -- civil and military,y, and nongovernmental experts discussing how to respond to hyid warfare, how to ensure we , despite the support grace on defense spending, spend more effectively on new technologies and new ways of doing things that we need to keep an age in the future, ter the russians but also be equipped to deal with -- deter the russians, but also be equipped to deal with isil. vago: for me of our interview go to defennews.com. vago: to cocide with the march madness basketball tournament earlier this month, "military times" asked readers to pick the best military movie ever. editor tony lombardo is joining us for an update. thanks for joining us. tony: thanks for having me. vago: it was 64 movies. who are the elite eight coming over the finish line? tony: we have had hundreds of thousands of votes. "saving private ryan" not doing -- is doing well. "top gun" is doing well, which has some of our grunts confused. how is that happening? the navyontingent, they love the movie. vago: it is still a recruiting tool. aliens, is that still -- tony: "aliens" is out. vago: what are other names at the top? tony: "american sniper" has been strong, but it could be knocked out soon by "black hawk down." we have had hundreds of comments, mostly people yelling at me for not putting certain films on the list. vago: or putting other films on the list. tony: "last samurai" is missing ninjas and machine guns. "saving private ryan" is the only choice. finally, "rules of engagement," the last time --- the first time my team got lit up in iraq was just like that. "from here to eternity," i have gotten so many letters. i thought it was mushy stuf i have to give my readers more credit. vago: how can readers get involved? tony: go to the "military times" website. in april, we will crown a victor. vago: we will have you back to talk about the victors. personal finance expert jeanette mac expense have you know whetether your finances are in good shape