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we'd all agree it is i don't want to know there's been a lot of rumor mongering about this mona feingold do you trust this tribunals do i trust this. not true it is a no but i want to say here is one of the biggest mistakes was to remove said heavy duty as a prime minister he is the only one who could have juggled this whole thing in a balanced way because he might just didn't you know not really but then the s.s. ns but at least let go of this sort of thing which is very divisive and the evidence could become a flash point down the road if things become more dense so while it is gone in lebanon today this i've been trying things get easily be exploited in a much more emotive way and we already have these tensions between the sunnis and shias so ideally of things that only one clue could have saved the day would have been prime ministers ideally and not a minister may cut it's a heavy burden on this you know how are you going to get a home here because it's very interesting point was brought up here and i think it's like the eight hundred pound gorilla in the corner all the time is that

mccain feingold restrictions of the incumbent protection plan we're able to get a little more money moving into the revolution tell us how this is going to work well it's called the revolution pac and it's what's called a super pac which means a bunch of things but one thing it means we can't have any official communication with the campaign but it means that we're not subject to the twenty five hundred dollars per person donation cap we were doing when you said the campaign you mean and the campaign right now ron paul of course that is the campaign ad of it. but that's that's right so it means that the average you know the person who's donating to a presidential campaign like ron paul's is subject to you can donate twenty five hundred dollars and that's it we're not subject to that limit so you know any big dollar donors here we what we have big ambitions for what we want to do we've got great ideas for getting the message out there in ways that i think will appeal to the grassroots ron paul supporters we're we've assembled a tremendous team with the best grassroots talent a lot of names

tony feingold to you i think we all agree good journalism is good for society but what is good journalism today because if we look at the business model most of what we discuss in the during this entire program i mean it's profits that are most important and and traditional media has a very hard time in this environment i mean we all know poor journalists ok i mean is the public good being served by the business model in journalism today. well peter it's interesting because the idea of responsibility and media is pretty much a twentieth century concept when our founder started the idea was a absolutely open robust stridently partisan press that was full of lies full of innuendo and full of all sorts of false information and that in that sense it seems to me that we're just revolving back to that concept where we've got more stridently partisan media on both sides and we've got this robust communication and the whole idea of the enlightenment was that the founders was that the public would understand what's the truth and i kind of think that we're getting back to that point of view and you

four dollars per person well if you make the rules there are always ways around them and mccain feingold is not campaign finance reform was just part of the incumbent protection right republican front runner mitt romney won something a little less than twenty million dollars and the rest of the liberty hating republicans will announce something substantially less former house speaker newt gingrich is reportedly in all kinds of debt being committed to the race when you're struggling is one thing but being committed to the race when you're deep in debt and can't get out is a little more serious matter what's is so goes away and starts his advocacy for marital and apparently now this school your response. ability. you know the last government sort of let it right to the foot down they're experiencing today about four million dollars and sell bachmann who in addition to all the reasons i gave you to stay in and used to be an attorney for the i.r.s. only meant about one point five million and as for the ron paul liberty loving freedom movement we have this is a quote from ron paul we have rai

key becomes can mcconnell and reid deliver between them -- [ talking over each other ] the russ feingoldsre any more. >> sean: the bush tax cuts expire. tax increases are down the road. we are going to read details. conservatives like me are not going to support. >> this is the issue, we are going to keep revisiting it. >> sean: lenn

interesting, normally you'd say maybe there will be a primary challenge, maybe there will be a draft russ feingold, bernie sanders. you couldn't see this show up in the president personally. there's this loyalty to him that he has that seems to bridge that divide between what are progressive elites versus the progressives in public opinion. >> lack of enthusiasm? that can also defeat an incumbent president. people staying home, people not going out and organizing, not knocking on doors, not bringing people in. plus, you could see a vote going down in the house because enough democrats didn't join in. >> andrea mitchell, stick around. we don't know when this vote's going to happen. i think we're here for the duration until this happens but we do have to go to break because somebody's got to pay these bills. >>> we're keeping our eye on the senate where harry reid is holding a procedural vote. we'll talk with a couple of democratic congressmen. you're watching a special edition of msnbc, the place for politics. new natureluxe mousse mascara! luxurious volume with a light-as-air feel. we took out a h

senator feingold and great speech on that. i could not agree more with him. what he said about winning, it is not everything, it is everything. we must win on finance reform. corporate money has bought or politics wholesale. i want you to understand because i think this is really important. the talking points that go around, and a lot of us believe liberals are harder to organize, it is like herding cats is the famous old comment. there is a sense that liberals are weaker because of that, and that we are supposed to give in to republicans and that is the way it has always been. i want to explain to you right now that that is nonsense. that is a lie. liberals in this country have had a history of enormous strength. first of all, our founding fathers were liberals. they were the most liberal people in the world at that time. they put together a secular country and they said that we will have all the rights enumerated in the bill of rights and the constitution. it was the most liberal document the world had ever seen. george washington, thomas jefferson, and the

. >> well, that would probably be some have speculated russ feingold or dennis kucinich who is going to be redistricted out of the fray. would you consider those legitimate challenges? >> i think any challenge to obama from the left would be legitimate because the legitimacy doesn't have to spring from the challenger. it springs from the challengee. in other words, obama will be moving to the right or trying to accommodate the republicans and that will provide fodder for left wing challenge so yeah, i think it would be very serious problem for obama. >> let's see what happens with this whole debt discussion but there's still a lot of people in this country that think obama is too far to the left. let me talk to you about this poll. when you look at approval ratings and compare president clinton and president obama in budget battles, president clinton remains relatively high in november of 1995. the president currently obama is at 43% job approval. what do you make of that? >> well, they had such totally different approaches to this. president clinton staked out a clear position, a pl