advice of white house officials in the choice of wolfowitz and then wolfowitz in turn bringing doug feith on board and so on. >> host: how acted mr. wolfowitz and donald rumsfeld go back? >> guest: they went back quite a number of years. they were not particularly close friends but they had served together on various groups and commissions. >> host: in government? >> guest: in government, yes. >> host: chicago independent line. >> caller: i want to say i support what president obama spending. he had ice cream on saturday and went golfing on sunday and i enjoy those activities myself. thank. >> host: thanks for that call. new york, caroline in westchester on the democrats win. >> caller: good morning. i was wondering how mr. graham felt when he found out that donald rumsfeld, wolfowitz and, and the other neocons promoted saddam hussein -- kept telling us that he had weapons of mass destruction when the man was contained for 12 years and now they all have rudolph into the sunset with big money in their bank accounts and i would like to know when are they going to give some of that money bac

douglas feith. but rumsfeld himself isn't a new conservative. many of his views might overlap. they do depart at one critical area which is the notion of spreading democracy around the world. rumsfeld is always very uncomfortable with that notion particular as a rationale for going to war against iraq and are due to try to keep it out of some of the rhetoric justify even the invasion. he wasn't particularly successful. the white house embraced that notion along with other rationales like weapons of mass destruction and so on, but i pressed rumsfeld and why it was that he ended up so surrounded by a neocons and he didn't have a very convincing answer to that but it didn't seem to me as if it was exactly a strategy on his part. he tended to explain it as the result of him taking the advice of white house officials and the choice of wolfowitz and then wolfowitz interim bringing douglas feith on board. >> host: how for did mr. wolfowitz and donald rumsfeld go back? >> guest: they went back and number of years. there were not particularly close friends but they served together on va