and for more on the iraqi donor conference i'm joined by felix knight got c.e.o. of the german chamber of commerce in the gulf states he joins us in kuwait good to have you with us and when we see those images of devastation in iraq it is very hard to imagine that those broken cities could ever be rebuilt again certainly not in the future you'll that what hope do you have for iraq. well i participated yesterday in the business day in the frame of this iraq conference in kuwait and this took place in the hotel and the ball room was literally packed with hundreds of business people so the interest on behalf business on behalf of john business definitely there and iraq definitely has business cases it's huge construction needs on the one hand but on the other hands it's on the third or fourth in the world so there is at least in the long run there will be a loss of revenue to cover part of this ok so there are huge needs no doubt and there is business interest you are telling us but iraqi officials say that they will need some eighty eight billion dollars to rebuild