and that asian american women walk a very, very narrow tight rope between being seen as too femen to be competent, too passive, too quiet, she was called. but also too masculine to be likeable. she was called both fassive and demanding. that's -- passive and demanding. that's a narrow type rope. and this is really a gender training to the world. so i think it has changed the conversation in a permanent way. >> we'll be right back. >> indiana's new so-called religious freadm law has become a huge issue in the technology and business industry. after the law tech companies spoke out in protest. more than a dozen tech leaders signing a letter. sales force is limiting employee travel to the state as are some city and state governments. cloud era pulled out of a big data conference. i spoke with mike olson just hours after indiana governor mike pence vowed to fix the law. >> i think it's encouraging but we would like to see exactly what the legislature and the administration intend. >> what is it about this law that offended you guys so much that you very quickly moved to speak out against