not in ways that are necessarily identical to what feminists do. and as i noted, conservative womens groups, conservative mothers are embraced if they fit within a particular notion of femininity. they challenge feminists and they promote conservative goals. now this organizational rhetoric produces a new set of conservative views about motherhood that i think we need to pay attention to and suggest conservative are adapting to a changing environment. i think during upcoming elections we'll see a subtle shift about women running for office. they might help soften the image of the republican party, the image is they're considered to be unfriendly to women's interests and so on. so, they're transforming rhetoric, the way they talk about mothers in politics might affect the republican party that way. the fourth thing i want to say, conservative women -- conservative politics cannot be fully understood without paying attention to the women active in it. that seems like a no brainer, but to look at the research is not a lot. and so, it now with palin whe

so the conservative women who say that it is feminists who have tried to get women to do it have gotutheir facts wrong. feminist asked for social support. they asked for men's support. they did not get everything that they asked for, and that is the status quo today. perhaps from a feminist point of view, is that had sarah palin and michele bachmann actually succeeded in achieving positions of power, they would have furthered legislation that dan would have theed the -- denied women resources to be able to do it all themselves. conservatives are not being terribly logical when a criminal -- criticized -- when they sts for tryingnin to achieve higher office. it is an easy charge to dismiss. support women who that further policies would demand that women who could not do it all themselves would not be given support, women who would oppose government or workplace accommodations for women who are not in such privileged positions with regard to their family resources? talk about this -- and i think you did raise this point, professor schreiber -- there is a need for historical and economic

so the conservative women who say that it is feminists who have tried to get women to do it all without support have got their facts wrong. feminist asked for social support. they asked for men's support. they did not get everything that they asked for, and that is the status quo today. a second irony, perhaps from a feminist point of view, is that had sarah palin and michele bachmann actually succeeded in achieving positions of power, they would have furthered legislation that denied women the resources to be able to do it all themselves. conservatives are not being terribly logical when they criticize feminists for trying to achieve higher office. it is an easy charge to dismiss. why would we support women who would further policies that would demand that women who could not do it all themselves would not be given support, women who would oppose government or workplace accommodations for women who are not in such privileged positions with regard to their family resources? when you talk about this -- and i think you did raise this point, professor schreiber -- there is a need for histo

they do run into some challenges, where they are promoting women, where if they are conservative, the women may be feminists or vice versa, so some challenges about substantive representation, as political scientists may want to do with, and that you may be a woman, but you may not be acting in my interest. >> thank you very much. let's open it up to questions that people are here to ask. in the conservative view, feminist women not supporting feminist candidates, did you ask them if they support liberal women candidates, because they are women? >> absolutely. >> and what was their response? this is changing, and this is one of the things i have talked about, but it has never been an explicit goal of conservative women's group to get women in elected positions of power until recently, which really started with sarah palin, but it has been a goal of feminist organizations, and i know you were saying that they would not support palin, and i think that is true, but it does require them to be more specific in terms of what they care about in promoting women and electing women in office, so they do not see it as

people will still think i was a dissident in the feminist theory but i do not hear the attack as often as in the past. >> what about the women's studies programs? >> they are a mix of good and bad. there are many professors drawn from other fields so they are historians with an expertise on women in a specific period and sociology of women and women's writers and those professors give straightforward academic classes. what typically happens is feminist theory and young women come into these classes and i look at the textbooks into the independent women's school commissioned christine to do a content analysis and what she found was a lot of misinformation. and a very negative views of men and hostility to the traditional femininity so now they are forced to stay home. the books tend to take a very negative view. what i found is you would get a textbook and it was always enjoyed offering students pro and con on some contentious issue but it wasn't my job to give them specific opinions if we were debating a physical issue i didn't want to turn them into somebody that he believed in free w

these are feminist women who had little boys and what you do if you have a typical little boy coot who as one mother said, a wonderful writer sent her son to a feminist goddess worshiping co-op children's day care in cape cod. what happens when you send sort wielding high spirited little boy? it did not work out well. every time they played swards they take away the sticks and have the children celebrate growing tomatoes. they were constantly trying -- they were policing her son and monitoring and making him feel terrible about himself. it was liberating for her to discover the goodness in ruble is and they are not exactly like girls so the book in that sense was very positive towards these feminist mothers who were so humane and humaneness of feminism was so much a part how they approach their sons but because of the subtitle it done come through some i dropped it. >> host: your first two "who stole feminism?: how women have betrayed women" and "the war against boys: how misguided policies are harming our young men" you got branded an anti feminist. have you ever been unbranded? are y

they were feminist mothers and became mothers of boys. and what do you do? especially when you have a typical boy. one women sent her son to a feminist god worshiping school and every time they would play swords they would take them and plant them in the gardening. and they were constantly trying to play. they were policing her son actually and monitoring him and making him feel terrible about himself. so it was liberating for him to discover the goodness in boys and that they are not like girls. so the books in that sense is very positive toward these particularly feminist mothers were so humane. but because of the subtitle it didn't come through. >> your first books branded you as an anti-feminist. have you been unbranded? are you stuck with that? >> i think lately it has changed. i won an award from the national women's political caucucaucus. so that was very nice. and also, i think they will call me a conservative feminist and i don't think most people -- i have written so much in favor of feminism. i just wrote a book describing what feminism should be t

so what i think is that i do think that many self identified feminists are fairly hard line. they seem to be willing to believe the worst things about men. and very dissatisfied with the society and i do think that they throw out false statistics and i think that a lot of young women simply are not angry at young men, so they keep their distance and you don't find many women as part of the movement. but it's largely evolved into the upper middle class women's movement and when i say who stole feminism, there are some in our university and it doesn't appeal to people. there have been articles for colleges to avoid where it is a hostile environment where they will have angry women and so forth. so i think that that is contributing to it. and i think that they would still think that i was a dissident in this area. but i don't hear this as often as in the past. >> host: without women's studies programs at university? >> guest: well, women's studies artie's. there are many professors who are drawn from other fields. then you have those who are sociology individuals, women writers,

hard and strive and kick it at work should be able to do that and women who want to lean out and make a beautiful birthday cake and have that be a feminist move should be able to do that too. >> you all said we have somebody at home taking care of our kids. isn't it a lot easier when you're cheryl sandburg or most of the people at this table who can afford to pay someone to read to your kids or other women stick the kids with a relative. >> a lot of women make the choice i don't want a nanny reading to my child. it reminds me of a "new york times" article. just simplifying things. the guy that had all this money in the tech world, he decided to strip everything down, simplify it. it sounds a lot of women are making this decision too. you know what? we don't need to double the salary. i want to stay home and read to my kids. >> which is fantastic and feminism is all about being able to exercise choice. the key thing women understand when they make those choices they impact their long term future. if you leave the workforce and especially if you leave the workforce in a job that you don't feel is going very far you'll never ever going to h

some feminists thing she shouldn't have poesd the pic. how much do you love this segment?, people kept telling me that my body would never be the same. i wanted to show everybody that that's not entirely true. i thing all the women should be proud of themselves, regardless of how they look after labor. >> look, i think she looks great. i don't know. greg, everyone has a theory and a viewpoint. we're going to save bob's. >> number one, it's not about the woman. it's about the babies. when babies are born, they're really fat. they have all that baby fat. get them on a treadmill. mommy bloggers, what is with these mommy feminist bloggers. they're absolutely miserable people. why don't you go after real injustice? there are women being killed all over the country. you're going after a norwegian fitness blogger. i thought i would never say that in my life. she is a fitness blogger. >> she's really serious about fitness. >> i think he had work done. >> i have to problem with this. i applaud women who take care of themselves. i don't know, people think, dana, you thing she had so

did she write this to see feminist heads explode? >> she enjoyed doing and i think she made a good point. women are winning. they are closing the income gap. they are more represented on the college campuses and they are more bread winners and they are finding that a lot of that is not fun. they have to shift their blame for hating men. anything masculine is considered negative. if i may quote, he said it is not -- in order to succeed others must fail. as they are starting to win it is not satisfying fying them. they said we still need a reason to be angry at men. then women say men are obsolete and say we don't need then. then they satisfied said were would they waste time with you? you are unpleasant. you said why are we doing -- >> you said why are we dhog and women haven't invented a single thing and then turned it into a coffee. and then it shows what an awful person i am. she is one of the people i love reading whether i agree with or not. i half do here. it is bad that she reduces all of them to men suck. the one thing she over looks is one of the

. >> let me ask you, do you consider yourself a feminist? >> of course. yes, indy 500. > that word has come to mean a lot of things. it's been used as a cudgel in many cases against women with power, women who get things done. could you tell us just from personal experience what it has been like shattering the glass ceilings you have. >> first of all, i shattered the marble ceiling. much more difficult than the glass ceiling. i always thought we would have a woman president long before congress would recognize women should lead the way. american people are way far ahead of congress in terms of recognizing the leadership of women in our country and the desire to have a woman president, now we have a prospect and that's a great thing. you know one thing for sure. if you're a woman and you're effective, you will be a target. it isn't a problem for me, because i care more about being effective than i care about being a target, but it is a problem when i'm trying to attract other women to run, younger women to run who have options in life. if they had no options, we wouldn't

people doing selfies. >> i like the outfit. >> i like the shachandelier. >> of course you do. >> was this feministat kim kardashian? >> we didn't hear from them when martin bashir said the comments about sarah palin. >> and certain countries. >> selective about these things. they get so upset. bob. >> did you look after that after you had your son? >> i -- i gained about 25 pounds. i didn't gain a lot of weight, but i think i gained good weight, you know, because he came out juicy. what? >> i know, but my advice with my son, i gained about 25 myself, and it was rough. let me get serious here for a second, as much as i love those pictures. there is a lot of pressure on women. >> i know, a lot. >> in the art world -- or in the dress world, whatever you call that -- >> fashion. >> fashion? >> yeah, fashion. have you ever seen a fat woman wearing expensive clothes? no. >> plus-size models. >> what are you talking about, bob? all the time. >> what about the pressure on men? >> look at how much work the guy had to do to have that baby. >> sympathy weight when the wife is pregnant, they have little snack

do. and i think i was very much a feminist all going all the way back. so i think i used the wrong word when i said i was a typical male chauvinist. i was a typical member of the old boys club. >> ha. well, in case you missed it, that old boys club no more. let's see how mort crim matches up to ron burgundy. >> i'm ron burgundy. you stay classy, san diego. >> all clear. >> stay classy, san diego. [ laughter ] >> not too bad. that does it for me tonight. i'm brooke baldwin. i'm brooke baldwin. thank . >>> billions beat out every other a list in the world, to become time magazine's prestigious person of the year. and what american's evangelicals think of the pope. and the advice on obama care. >> you have to get it fixed. it is not fixed. it is very broken. there is no security. and frankly, a lot of people that are signing up don't have the insurance. >> the winner may surprise you here. and america's second favorite anchorman, well, this guy, you know him, you love him on the big screen. tonight, i'll talk to the man who made him what he is today. >>> st

doing. she was expressing a feminist point of view that speaks to her own book club.s not the same as the women around the rest of the country. >> i don't know that if what michelle's motives were, michelle coddle, that is, but i think it's pretty clear that michelle obama's motives are to let her husband be president and to use this very critical time in her children's life to focus on children and children's issues. and i'm sorry, what is wrong with focusing on children's issues? i think we need to focus more on those. >> i am just shocked at jim's allegation that journalists would do something to try to generate clicks. >> you can't recovered from that yet? >> no. >> the take-away is we're here talking about so on some level it worked and stirred a debate, even though not the debate the author intended. thanks for stopping by. don't forget, send us a tweet about the show. @howardkurtz. we'll read the best ones later. >>> up next, kirsten powers in her first interview about becoming an evangelical christian. >>> there's a familiar phrase on fox news. kirsten powers

doing things. he's really a devoted feminist, and i have high hopes for him. the fact that he -- he does come off well in the book. he's promised a lot. he has acted. he has followed through this trying to shrink the -- in trying to shrink the salary gap and has shrunk it. for instance, he told me when i was interviewing him that the salary gap between men and women on the new york times on the editorial side was averaging $13,000 a year. and on the business side, it was averaging $25,000 a year. he's now narrowed the gap to zero for new hires on the editorial side and to about $7,000 a year on the, on the business side. and this is a big move. i mean, punch is an aim mall -- amiable, decent, wonderful guy, but he never leaned on his managers saying this p counts on your record, not just putting out a quality product, let's really do something about women and minorities. he never really pushed. he said this is a very good idea and then didn't follow through. c-span: did "the new york times" review your book? >> guest: it's going to review it next sunday. c-spa

do that. that was her life. maybe she was more of a feminist than anyone. >> she was not going to do what she was told there is thiss a different take. she wrote -- >> she had time to talk things out and they would discuss it in the evening. when they became president, your decisions multiply rapidly. it is not that he did not want to consult her but he did not have time to consult her on everything. she came around. >> harry truman had a lot of decisions to make. we have a few highlights of his first term in the white house, including the end of world war ii, the dropping of the atomic bomb, and the end of world war ii with japan. the cia established israel recognized as you mentioned earlier, the integration of the military and the marshall plan, some of the big decisions she had before him. you mentioned she did not share in the atomic bomb decision. >> there is a little dispute about that. she knew about the creation of the atomic tom, but whether he had time to get in touch with her before giving the order, probably not. he is not home. he is across the world. >> just another example of some of the letters har

do. and i think i was very much a feminist all going all the way back.ng word when i said i was a typical male chauvinist. i was a typical member of the old boys club. >> ha. well, in case you missed it, that old boys club no more. let's see how mort crim matches up to ron burgundy. >> i'm ron burgundy. you stay classy, san diego. >> all clear. >> stay classy, san diego. [ laughter ] >> not too bad. that does it for me tonight. i'm brooke baldwin. i'm brooke baldwin. thank

. >> "they are not feminists in the ordinary sense of the term." do you remember saying this? we get a lot of criticism. >> "women who have left in the kitchen for the street on behalf of peace. they are political operatives on a radical mission." >> we have a staff of about three people. i do not know how well organized we are. >> "they are marxists and communists." >> if you want to be codepink, you can do that. you do not have to wear pink. as long as you believe that we need to live in a more peaceful way, you can join us in codepink. >> here is another example of how you protested in a group. this is in december 2012. you'll see what i am talking about. it is a press conference of wayne lapierre. [video clip] >> our children, we as a society, leave them utterly defenseless everyday. the monsters and the predators he he of the world know it and exploit it. that must change now. the truth is -- >> nra, stop killing our children. >> the media demonizes gun owners. >> reckless behavior coming from the nra. the nra has a blood on its hands. the nra has blood on its hands. ban

do it all. okay. men said, you know, and the women in the lives were all, like, getting, becoming feminists and critiquing our behavior, and guys said, well, you know, they are right. women have gotten a raw deal here. they can't be all -- and golly, so have we. we got a raw deal. they can never express your feelings or tell people that you love them, and all of your relationship with men are completely, you know, restricted by homophobia and terror people get the wrong idea about you, whatever, being a man sucks too, and those said it sucks just as much, and some guys said it sucks more, but origins come from the men's liberation movement that men needed liberation too from restrictive constraining, oppressor roles. >> host: sympathetic to feminism initially; right? >> guest: initially, it was. >> host: that was interesting, yes. >> guest: initially, it was sympathetic to feminism, but there was also -- but as one became angry, and i think there is a men's liberation movement, impulse, that is independent of feminism or sees itself independent, but not antifeminist, but that's basically faded. what has e

feminist women said we need you to be better fathers and to do fair housework and childcare.we want to go to work. and it's good for you, too and then took that seriously and started thinking about it. think about your own husbands. >> host: a parent and father. >> guest: by father had to fight and lost to the end of the delivery room when i was born. >> host: that explains a thing about you. >> guest: they wouldn't let him in. now if the man is married to the woman giving birth -- >> host: and he's not care he's a jerk. >> guest: 95% of men are there. this is how it's changed. there are far more involved in childcare and kind of like it. so, what kind of happened since the 70s and this is why there was a trickle. that grew into a notion of positive stuff and these beautiful tends to involve fatherhood and daddy and me. it's great. but what happened is those men became more involved and active fathers and the law didn't change. so the system thinks of them as our fathers generation. the court system thinks of them as wallets and utterly uninvolved and married to their job and

do it all. so men basically were saying -- and the women in our lives were all like becoming feminists and critiquing our own behavior and so a lot of them said wealth they are right. women have the raw deal. so have we. you can never express your feelings, you can ever top people that you love them. all of your relationships with men are completely restricted by homophobia and the terror that other people might get the wrong idea about you, whatever. so being a man sucks, too and just as much into some would say that it sucks more. it comes from what was then called the men's liberation movement that man needed liberation from the constricted opera sir role three at. >> host: surveyed sympathetic. >> guest: initially. >> host: that was interesting. >> guest: it was sympathetic to feminism but there was also -- as one became angry -- and there is still a men's liberation movement in polls that is independent of feminism, but that is basically ceded. what has emerged right is the movement that basically the men's rights movement takes as it is true the same thing i often hear from my female students w

feminists have to be. we need to be careful how we are depicting the new answered asian american. multiracial and biracial people. >> debbie, who do you look like as the stereotype shatterer that is very publicly visible? >> look here, sui park i'm so excited to be on the show with you. >> i love your documentary! >> somebody that's broadly visible, lisa ling, there are people out there that you look to that you're saying yeah, they're really moving this forward for us. >> actually i tend to look at the comedians like aly wong and -- >> jenny yang. >> je jenni yang. >> we don't have enough role models out there actually. it's not that there aren't great and talented people out there. there's not necessarily the opportunities given. >> and on that note, thanks oall of our guests for a great conversation. online. it is is online. check check >> the army loses control of a safe capital in south sudan, as three days of fighting is tried to be stopped. >> you are watching al jazeera live from doha. coming up on the program - the start of a new mission in central african republic. the african union takes charge of peace keepers. >> the

idea and i think she would have probably spent the rest of her life doing that, being at purdue, because she was a s--a strong feminist. although she didn't come across as one, she had very strong beliefs. and what she always wanted to do was to get women to be the best that they could be. she wanted them to lose their sense of inferiority. she was always trying to enhance women's self-esteem. and there she was--she was offered a job to be on the faculty of--of--of purdue, to be a consultant for careers for women. well, of course, she was a huge hit and she was there and the--and the girls just--just adored her. and i think--i think it was probably very satisfying for her and i think it would have taken more and more of her time. c-span: you say that purdue got involved with a research foundation and was there a time where they were even going to buy her a plane? >> guest: well, they kind of did. they kind of did buy her a plane. two of the wealthy alumni who were head of the purdue research foundation each kicked in $20,000 and then--so that gave her the-kind of enough to buy the lockheed electra. and then equipment

do. and i think i was very much a feminist going all the way back.k i used the wrong word when i said i was a typical male chauvinist. as evidence of the fact she didn't pay her dues. when she proved herself to be a hard-working reporter and to be able to do the job as well as any man and perhaps work harder than most of us she was totally and fully accepted. and in fact, the bond of friendship became so strong between all of us on that anchor team that after her tragic death, her mother and her sister called and said, we would like you to deliver the eulogy at her funeral because we think that's what jess would have wanted. >> you're not the first person to be pilloried in this manner. let's take a look at a clip from snl. >> i am piers morgan, the tiny little fool of news. i'd like to remind everyone that i won "the apprentice." who lied about what? who is still hiding the truth? and who what how what who? >> you see, i'm pretending to laugh. but really inside, mort, it's killing me. i just don't talk like that. >> no, it's not. i've watched you en

feminist women were saying we need you to be better fathers, we need you to do fair house work.e want to go to work. and it is good for you. men took that seriously. starting to think about your own husbands, think about -- >> host: compared to my father speaks to my father had to fight , fought and lost to be in the delivery room when i was born. >> host: that explains a lot about you. and as feminist father. >> guest: they lost. you that there would not let the men. al if a man is married and he is not there, 95 percent of men are there. think of how it is changed. men are far more involved in child care. far more. and like it. so what happens says the 70's, and so this is why there was a trickle of stuff about fatherhood. that grew into a veritable ocean of positive stuff, you know, the beautiful pends to involve daddy had and all of this. daddy and me. i mean, it's great. but what happened was that those men became more involved a more active fathers. the laws did not change. the court system thinks of them as our fathers' generation. the core system thinks of them as wallet

feminist. >> olivia pope. >> o olivia pope? i have to confess, i don't watch "scandal." >> that makes you stand out. >> what i do want to say -- hink is fascinating, when we talk about people galvanizing around social media, you know, quote, unquote, black twitter, black feminist twitter every thursday night, everybody is rallying around olivia pope and "scandal." and when we talk about why has it taken so long for such a great actress like kerry washington to get visibility, it might be because the traditional venues were entrenched in old ways and as soon as you had outgrowing of fandom on the internet, people finally took notice. >>> and let's turn to janet yellen, the fed is a place that has enormous power but a lot less visibility. first of all, do your readers care about a woman ascending to that kind of position and why? >> our readers are people and the idea that somebody interesting and powerful is taking over important and powerful positions in washington, d.c. i think is germane. we're particularly interested when they're women, because so many readers are women. so it's important for us to know who is setting the ag

do when it comes to parity in government. breaking news ground are breaking a ceiling. there is a tendency to treat that woman as an anomaly feministictory and as an outlier. and this has everything to do wanting somebody who has a powerful message and a good campaign. people are quick to marginalize the success and exoticize it. >> how you deal with the questions? a great quote from blanche can talkho said, i about whatever issue i want to but, if i run in my pantyhose, nobody hears what i am saying. challenges.of the comment on, and -- my parents, i comment on theirs. it's not like we are bad things about each other. they are startled that i would define how he physically looks. when they call you ruthless, say thank you. "thank you." >> the conversation has to be about who is in the pipeline. how do you keep people in the pipeline? anybody just say, has ever heard of men trying to fill a pipeline? is not that i do not believe that there has to be a pipeline but, again, i would question this notion. it is just like culture. culture is how we behave and it changes. oldould you say that the boys network is the pipeline? >> steve jo

and kind of unapologetically embracing the term "feminist," the word "feminism" without apology, especially with someone at that level. >> liz, what do think she showed feminism isn't something constraining, liberating. it's not about setting -- being kind of accountable to a set of standards that are set by someone else. it's really an individual and personal experience. >> all right. well, i want to turn to a more political one, an inspiring woman who burst on the national scene this year. take a listen to wendy davis. >> if you a -- you must not treat others -- >> malala also on our list, different than a texas filibuster. krystal ball, tell us about wendy davis. >> wendy davis burst on the national scene this year with her opposition and this epic filibuster of a really onerous texas law that is affecting a lot of women there. it's actually forcing the closure of a third of texas abortion clinics in a state where access to reproductive choices and options are already extraordinarily limited. and she launched this epic filibuster, which was successful in the moment, which brought hundreds of thousands of people to youtube to watch

manages to be both funny and romantic and deeply, deeply feminist even insofar as, you know, the princes don't come to the rescue. it's really sisters doingit's really about how very close siblings are torn apart and how they come together in the end. that is the true magic of the film. the songs are lovely, the vocal performances, it's lovely. >> what i've read is that they found a way to try to lure younger boys in to try to convince them this isn't a movie about princesses. think that's accurate? >> most of the disney movies are machine tooled on one level, they try to hit all the demographic bases, parents, girls, boys. sure, there are plenty of men for them to identify with. but i think primarily it's a movie that reminds us all that one of the central relationships in this world, one of the magic relationships, can be between two sisters. >> so what should people not waste their money on? movies are not cheap these days. >> the worst movie of the year i think is so hilariously bad that maybe people might want to see it. it's called "labor day" directed by jason wrightman. it's the most daffy, romantic fantasy about an escaped murder

feminist. that was my initial exposure. last night >> hi, this is an unimaginable honor. thank you so much for doing this.e touched briefly -- you have this wonderful show a quote in the touch under famous engagement with high culture. i was just going to ask you to refer to briefly on the contemporary state of high culture series are again how important it ain't engagement with that serious contemporary literature, music comes in a month, how important it is and explain the vanguard of political thought and whether or not temporary artisan on it as a rising to the challenge. >> i think it's very important. i'm not the only one who thinks so. i think people with our think so. at spiciness rivera mural was allowed to be put in rockefeller center. that's way to go back back to cinema, so you go back 60 years, early 50s, some of you will remember. in 1953, interesting year for cinema, there were two major films came out. two films that came out on the labor of man. one, which was a huge box office success of pr or advertising a show on teacher marlon brando was about a corrupt union later in how the heroic,

but on your note with the feminists, i am disappointed that a woman cannot make a comment, and she makes it clear, what right don't, this is just the way i feel. the fact that she is opening up a dialogue, and all of a sudden, she's slammed for not being a feminist. i think it's ridiculous. >> take aways from record execs, for pop stars for women, and i want to end her pleading with men, men, talk to us about how this makes you feel. you're 49% of the population. don't sit around and let women beat up one another while you're intermittently and guiltily enjoying the show. thank you so much for weighing in. i appreciate that. >> coming up, take a look at this. it is a monument showing the ten commandments and it stands outside the courthouse in oklahoma, but a group of satan worshiper want their own statue there as well. >>> plus, a guy falls asleep on a plane, wakes up hours later trapped. you'll hear his story direct from him, next. for all those who sleep for all those who sleep too hot or too cool, now there's a solution. sleep number dual temp, the revolutionary temperature-balancing layer with active air t

i tried to do through whitney what happened to american women at the time because the feminist movement dramatic and long lasting of the moments that came from the '60s and still with us in various ways. >> also, the pegs that she would have in that year that would move anyone's life or all terrify anyone's almost life. robert kennedy is assassinated. >> we had mccarthy rally the anti-war kids, kennedy jumping into the race, johnson going out, martin luther king killed, riots in the city, kennedy killed, police riots at chicago convention. what's going on with kids people my age sexual revolution, allenation of parents. >> why did you choose to tell it through a female protaganist. you don't get men writing love stories. >> it was a challenge. but it seemed to me if i was going to write about '68 and the women's movement which i thought was so important that hit to be from the point of view of a woman. i had to express how she changed. obviously the feminist movement was a great help to me because men and women started to talk to each other more honestly about sex, careers, what they wa

feminist arguments. that is, within religion and religion law. however, for her, she said i refuse to reinterpret the koran to change the family law. i'm not going to enter into the religious debate. i do not want to close myself off. and she argues that above all else, the strategy for combating fundamentalism be a political one that takes the debate off what she calls the religious terrain where they wish to trap us. across the age spectrum, i met an 18 -- a 19 year old at the time i met her in kabul, afghanistan, and a college student. she had just founded innovation called young women for change which did something rather remarkable in july 2011. they organized a street protest against harassment of women. they carried banners that said things like i have the right to walk freely in my city. hearkening back to other comments, they both make the argument that street harassment is an islamic because the prophet mohammed said that nobody but those were in barrier in character with this respect women. and they also asserted in human rights terms that women are equal to men and deserve the same dignity. before the march took place, she gave interviews on afghan tv and subsequently she r

empowered to do what you had to do to do for your schooling, but then were having trouble finding folks on campus to respect you as the intellectual and the feministght. i'm very active on the university of texas at austin in the black community because there's not a very large percentage of black students at u.t. and coming from a majority black high school or not majority black environment and coming to u.t. i was very intimidated. and i had to -- i wanted to immerse myself in the community and make friends and be accepted by my peers like everybody would like to be. and when i fist got to u.t. a lot of students were hearing about me or -- >> yep. >> -- you know, hearing in rumors oh, so you're kimarii. i just felt like i had to prove myself and defend myself. and i became a part of every black organization at the university of texas and a really strong community leader. i was a political action chair of the black student alliance last year. and i just -- i participated in everything. >> so -- >> when i heard about this opportunity i had to take it. >> pause for me real quick because i want to bring in farrah griffin for a moment. so much of you