>> some construction techniques used on the original keystone pipeline, femsa had issued caution not the solution was actually invented at nova gas trunk lines and regardless of the fact that we invented the technology and methodology, we went ahead and used what they didn't advise us to do. so it's only a matter of time. >> they do pipelines on the cheap, fair enough? >> on average, yes, i would say they do pipelines on the cheap. not always, but on average. >> okay, on average. and describe the intimidation that you had to put up with. >> i think we went and had an industry expert that went and solved an argument for us about whether or not we could see the welds on byes and pipeline, and he went and agreed that we couldn't see the roots of the welds, and he wrote a memo that said nobody from transcanada should be signing off on the pipeline, and i wrote an e-mail saying we should tell femsa. i think that's fairly important. we had a little meeting after that, and let's just say i didn't come out on the top of that meeting. and so, then you find little notes in the records about ho