look at the estimates from ferc. assessing punitive impacts of the epa power sector rules compared to epa's analysis. what should the public trust? >> i know the chairman has already testified that it is based on that information but it looks that proposed rules that were never adopted and it looks at worst-case scenarios that are not accurate. so i don't think that it should look at this data as being accurate. >> mr. chairman, where did this chart come from? it doesn't have attributions. >> is there an attribution for the chart? i think, i think it is ferc's staff gave us this. it's possible. let me just before a finisher, just just make an observation. on this side of the outcome of the democrats keep saying the republicans don't care about clean air, clean water because we oppose some epa regulations but i will give you the mud will for example, were republicans to object to that. but the president himself has come out against these proposed ozone rules, and could you say under that scenario with the democrats ar

but lauren, the federal energy regulatory commission, ferc, i'm hearing about this order called 1,000, about transmission planning and costallocation. why is this so important? why are we hearing about it? >> what is it and why is it so pour? >> it accomplishes three things. it helps with the regional planning aspect of transmission. and as lou just mentioned, history keafl with regards to the transmission, everyone was looking and we are the united states and essentially the states were looking only within their own state. and order 1,000 helps put united back into the unid states to develop a system that is more integrated, to allow the kind of transfer of electrons that lou is talking about to transform our economy. so the regional planning aspect of it, it helps put guidelines on that and to enforce to design the system and design it in a much more regional manner. it requires the same entities to figure out how to pay for it. so it doesn't mandate how the grid is going to be paid for but says look, guys, once you develop and pick lines that have to be built to reduce congestion a

chairman, in what you were saying that ferc opposed the roles that are affecting power plants. i just want to quote some of the testimony at a september 14 hearing of our energy and commerce committee. the experts did set the record straight. the federal energy regulatory commission chairman told the committee, "we do not need to stop these rules from going forward. i think these rules are appropriate. these rules do what things -- do what needs to be done in this country." to mr. john norris testified, "i believe the epa has adequately addressed reliability concerns and its statutory obligations with the rules established to date and i have no reason to believe it cannot continue to do so as it finalizes proposed rules." we have the former doe secretary for policy saying there is no reason to delay the implementation of the clean air transport rule or utility tax roll. we had actually heard testimony that i think counters the implication that you were making. but here is what i want to ask you, madam administrator. you identified 35 regulations that will be subject to a near-

but lauren, the federal energy regulatory commission, ferc, i'm hearing about this order called 1,000, about transmission planning and cost allocation. why is this so important? why are we hearing about it? >> what is it and why is it so pour? >> it accomplishes three things. it helps with the regional planning aspect of transmission. and as lou just mentioned, history keafl with regards to the transmission, everyone was looking and we are the united states and essentially the states were looking only within their own state. and order 1,000 helps put united back into the united states to develop a system that is more integrated, to allow the kind of transfer of electrons that lou is talking about to transform our economy. so the regional planning aspect of it, it helps put guidelines on that and to enforce to design the system and design it in a much more regional manner. it requires the same entities to figure out how to pay for it. so it doesn't mandate how the grid is going to be paid for but says look, guys, once you develop and pick lines that have to be built to reduce congestio

but lauren, the federal energy regulatory commission, ferc, i'm hearing about this order called 1,000, about transmission planning and cost allocation. why is this so important? why are we hearing about it? >> what is it and why is it so pour? >> it accomplishes three things. it helps with the regional planning aspect of transmission. and as lou just mentioned, history keafl with regards to the transmission, everyone was looking and we are the united states and essentially the states were looking only within their own state. andrder 1,000 helps put united back into the united states to devep a system that is more integrated, to allow the kind of transfer of electrons that lou is talking about to transform our economy. so the regional planning aspect of it, it helpsut guidelines on that and to enforce to design the system and design it in a much more regional manner. it requires the same entities to figure out how to pay for it. so it doesn't mandate how the grid i going to be paid for but says look, guys, once you develop and pick lines that have to be built to reduce congestion and h

the -- whitfield's committee was on the reliability issue and i took the task as the chairman of the ferc who in their own analysis said that if we continue to move on this regulatory regime, 80 giga watts of power is going to go offline. now, e.p.a. did the analysis and they said eight soufment got a 10-fold difference. maybe they're both wrong, maybe it's 40 gigawatts. my friends, 40 gigawatts is a will the of power. we rely on that reliability for a lot of things, rewe lie on the manufacturing sector and the manufacturing facility but we also rely on the reliability in the safety of -- and the safety of our citizens who are in the hospitals and in long-term care who need power to those facilities just for their livelihood. so if our aggressive environmental movement takes away 80 gigawatts of power will that affect our electricity? i think it will. thank you, mr. chairman, for the time. the speaker pro tempore: the time of the gentleman has -- the chair: the gentleman tissue the time of the gentleman from -- has expired. the gentleman has one minute remaining. >> the e.p.a. said the co

but lauren, the federal energy regulatory commission, ferc, i'm hearing about this order called 1,000, about transmission planning and cost allocation. why is this so important? why are we hearing about it? >> what is it and why is it so pour? >> it accomplishes three things. it helps with the regional planning aspect of transmission. and as lou just mentioned, history keafl with regards to the transmission, everyone was looking and we are the united states and essentially the states were looking only within their own state. and order 1,000 helps put united back into the united states to develop a system that is more integrated, to allow the kind of transfer of electrons that lou is talking about to transform our economy. so the regional planning aspect of it, it helps put guidelines on that and to enforce to design the system and design it in a much more regional manner. it requires the same entities to figure out how to pay for it. so it doesn't mandate how the grid is going to be paid for but says look, guys, once you develop and pick lines that have to be built to reduce congestio

does it really makes sense to ferc was the option of bringing the terrorist when the prohibitions onbringing the gitmo detainee's to the united states and on transferring detainee's to yemen make it impossible to close gitmo any time in the near future and what can the intelligence community be doing to stop the recidivism rate from going up? >> as you know, the administration policy and the executive order by president obama signed almost immediately after taking office was to close guantanamo not the least of which is the symbol guantanamo has become so that the administration policy. i think what we try to do or the administration tried to do is to treat each case on a case by case basis depending on the circumstances to capture the importance of it and was there evidence for the prosecution, etc.. in the answer, this is really not in intelligence issue. i think our concern is and the determination from these detainee's regardless whether they are incarcerated and regardless whether they are attended throop through a military commission or the civil courts system. so our interest,

you would have ferc and figure out on transition lines today just the kilowatts we generate we lose anywhere from 5-8% of those in transmission. there's a wonderful business plan in roi if we just upgrade all the existing transmission, we these to build new, and that's a different story and you need permits for that. but for heaven sakes, where you've got line, you ought to be able to upgrade. a lot of jobs, and you can't do those offshore. that's all work here. the other thing you'd probably do if you're doing energy efficiency at the same time is in every public build anything america where it's owned by the federal or the state governments or local governments or schools since we're going to probably keep those in the public sector for a lot of years, you would actually complete all of that. that's something bill clinton talked a little bit about, but it makes perfect sense. thousands of jobs there. if we were doing the oil and gas explorations since those royalties aren't in the budget because they've never been scored, i'd probably do some reservation of some of that, and i'd do the mis

does it really makes sense to ferc was the option of bringing the terrorist when the prohibitions onbringing the gitmo detainee's to the united states and on transferring detainee's to yeme make it impossible to close gitmo any time in the near future and what can the intelligence community be doing to stop the recidivism rate from going up? >> as you know, the administration policy and the executive order by president obama signed almost immediately after taking office was to close guantanamo not the least of which is the symbol guantanamo has become so that the administratiopolicy. i think what we try to do or the administration tried to do is to treat each case on a case by case basis depending on the circumstances to capture the importance of it and was there evidence for the prosecution, etc.. in the answer, this is really not in intelligence issue. i think our concern isand the determination from these detainee's regardless whether they are incarcerated and regardless whether they are attended throop through a military commission or the civil courts system. so our interest, my

does it really makes sense to ferc was the option of bringing the terrorist when the prohibitions onbringing the gitmo detainee's to the united states and on transferring detainee's to yemen make it impossible to close gitmo any time in the near future and what can the intelligence community be doing to stop the recidivism rate from going up? >> as you know, the administration policy and the executive order by president obama signed almost immediately after taking office was to close guantanamo not the least of which is the symbol guantanamo has become so that the administration policy. i think what we try to do or the administration tried to do is to treat each case on a case by case basis depending on the circumstances to capture the importance of it and was there evidence for the prosecution, etc.. in the answer, this is really not in intelligence issue. i think our concern is and the determination from these detainee's regardless whether they are incarcerated and regardless whether they are attended throop through a military commission or the civil courts system. so our interest,

does it really makes sense to ferc was the option of bringing the terrorist when the prohibitions onbringing the gitmo detainee's to the united states and on transferring detainee's to yemen make it impossible to close gitmo any time in the near future and what can the intelligence community be doing to stop the recidivism rate from going up? >> as you know, the administration policy and the executive order by president oba signed almost immediately after taking office was to close guantanamo not the least of which is the symbol guantanamo has become so that the administration policy. i think what we try to do or the administration tried to do is to treat each case on a case by case basis depending on the circumstances to capture the importance of it and was there evidence for the prosecution, etc.. in the answer, this is really not in intelligence issue. i think our concern is and the determination from these detainee's regardless whether they are incarcerated and regardless whetherthey are attended throop through a military commission or the civil courts system. so our interest, my