my questions are for chairman ferc.cerned that ferc is second guessing what the commission made under the prior. for example, recently issued five notices of intent to prepare new rules and the environmental impact projects for which ferc already determined that final environmental assessment was sufficient, so going forward, chairman ferc glick can they make final decisions and then stick with the decisions? >> thank you for the question, ms. lesko. >> they never said those reviews were insufficient. those were staff analyses and didn't make that determination either. we are dealing with the acquirements and i want to use an example over the last several years, the courts have repeatedly said ferc is not doing this right. and other agencies are not essentially reviewing the pipelines sufficiently in terms of the environmental impact. what happens is we issue the orders and at the court to sentence them back to us and it takes several years to go back over the initial reviews and all it does is cost extra money and many

. >> what is their argument to ferc? why is this being done? why do you want the unmetered load when historically i believe we have had it, is that true? >> that is correct. historically we have had it. they have argued that as a utility service provider, we should have separation between our systems theirs and ours. they have not made an safety or reliability argument with this load that's plausible. they serve a lot of unmetered load in other cities but don't allow it to be served by another utility without meters. so it's really a policy call on their part for how they want the business arrangement to work. >> and you're assuming since you're taking it out of our budget that they're going to win? >> we'll see. the challenge with ferc is when the utility like pg&e asks to do something as pg&e has, subject to they ask for it to be implemented subject to refund, ferc often says yes. now, we all know you can't refund the service when we're talking about this kind of thing. it's not a good fit for the way the ferc rules are structured but it is h