>> ferencz: of me?. ( laughs ) >> ferencz: i'm still churning. >> stahl: to this minute? >> ferencz: i'm still churning. >> stahl: all 22 defendants were found guilty, and four of them, including ohlendorf, were hanged. ferencz says his goal from the beginning was to affirm the rule of law and deter similar crimes from ever being committed again. did you meet a lot of people who perpetrated war crimes who would otherwise in your opinion have been just a normal, upstanding >> ferencz: "of course" is my answer. these men would never have been murderers had it not been for the war. these were people who could quote goethe, who loved wagner, who were polite. >> stahl: what turns a man into a savage beast like that? >> ferencz: he's not a savage. he's an intelligent, patriotic human being. >> stahl: he's a savage when he does the murder, though. >> ferencz: no. he's a patriotic human being acting in the interest of his country, in his mind. >> stahl: you don't think they turn into savages even for the

in a post dated may 9, christian wrote -- "i just challenged ben ferencz to a debate in the hague with putin as our judge. i will defend the nazis and he will defend the ashkenazis." that is a reference to european jews. can you talk about this? of timothye praise mcveigh is particularly troubling. people sometimes forget that mcveigh, who was directly inspired to commit that bombing in 1995 by reading and neo-nazi novel called "the turner diaries ," but that was the largest domestic terror attack part to 9/11. there been many people who have praised him over the years. we had an incident in the past week in tampa in which four neo-nazis, one of whom converted to islam and and killed two of his roommate, have bomb making material, there's a picture of mcveigh in their room. when you're praising mcveigh, what you're talking about is killing people and you're talking about being inspired by white supremacy. we also had the incident in maryland where this black man was killed by someone who was involved in the neo-nazi so-called alt-right group. it is quite scary. juan: i want to turn to