>> fergus: no, it's puff pastry.s from the pig's head out and bust right in and makes this sort of a crust. >> anthony: it's gorgeous. >> jay: indeed. >> anthony: wow, that's good. >> jay: it's extraordinary. you look at this pie and it's almost like something out of a children's book >> anthony: right. >> jay: the pie tradition is something very, very special. if you go back in history to the hogarth painting, the "roast beef of old england." >> anthony: yeah. >> jay: you'll realize that actually we were far ahead of the french in the preparation of beef and the roasting of meats. a lot of it was over our side of the channel. >> anthony: yeah. >> jay: which is no reason for leaving the european union. >> anthony: so, they call it great britain. what's great about britain? >> jay: i can refer to a certain literacy and a wry sense of humor, um, and a political tradition of democracy which, ironically, the referendum that's caused so many of us so much pain is a perfect example of. also a weirdly cosmopolitan welcoming

you were a chef before fergus, yes?nts when i was 12. >> anthony: yeah. >> margot: but this is fergus, peas in their pods. we met when i was working at the eagle and i said straight away to him we should open a restaurant together and he said, "well, that's a good idea, but let's be lovers as well." which i always thought was quite good. and then we had a restaurant. the whole area has changed around here. it's very shoreditch, groovy guys on little motorbikes with the handle bars. >> anthony: what was the neighborhood like before? >> margot: quite a large bengali community. before that it was quite a strong jewish community, but then they moved out, next group would move in. it was a poor area, a lot of people working in the fabric clothing industries. the bandstand in the middle is all the rubble from the war. i think the gardeners still find, you know, children's shoes and things. um -- >> anthony: really. >> margot: it is a very interesting area. just how beautiful these blocks are. there's quite a lot of building w

. >> fergus: well, a little -- you know. >> man 6: i think human beings are still stupid.

. >> fergus: well, a little -- you know.

mark fergus, what is this? mark: it is a book that grew out of our series on television, influence and image. we took that and put it into narrative form. every first lady has a chapter we learn about their biography, which includes their time as first lady. something great influence, some had less influence. steve was it easy to find : records on first ladies? mark: some were easy. mrs. adams, there were lots of letters between her in john adams were she was lobbying him on slavery. martha washington burned all her records between her and george washington. there are only two that exist. you go from one extreme to another. the farther along in time, you see the adaptation of technology and the role of first ladies against emerge as well. now, they have a very public role for varsity's first ladies -- most of these first ladies. at first they were behind the scenes and did not do that too much. steve: a former first lady is running for president. mark: the chapter on hillary clinton, if you want to know how she