here particularly in ferguson, in st. louis's wonderful for the president to talk about that but here we need to talk about the absence of all the other elected officials. we don't have a claire senator. how many times has she been to the studio to talk about this? we need to address things also. and our political leadership is completely missing in action. it's not simply that the president needs to do this, local elected officials need to step up to the plate and involve themselves in an issue that is about race, about police brult brutality they need to step up and engage on this horrible problem. >> these are two common stories with a lot of common threads. how confident are you in the ferguson commission's ability to create change within the legal and justice structure in the state of missouri? >> well, i think the possibility for change is there. i think this is a disaster for the president's idea for this problem being solved through body cams. if someone killed your child and someone said well give them a camera and tra

he's been doing great work in ferguson in st. louis and is considered an expert. he created the timelines of events and basically proved single-handedly that police were lying. so you just want to be the expert. >> my answer is a little more complicated. what you're going to want to do is you have to do a lot of research and maybe put some money up. but i did do is make a time machine and make sure, find a way to be reborn as a rich white guy. [laughter] and then just be wrong about every war and you will be the pundits they go to for the new war. >> wasn't it be easier to do a just one of the guys situations where you dress up? >> based on the reaction to that treyvon martin >> i did. >> great movie. good stuff. do that. >> allison's advice is pragmatic and great. mine is going to be what i eat limited to earlier. but make it yourself. and again, write what you want to write. i do it because once they stop thinking about making a living which is awful to say, that's when i started to come closer because i just didn't give a shit. even when ally wrote in the natio

ferguson. these protests it have spread to an american hold most sacred, football. >> the event in ferguson have crossed over into the world of sports. >> five players of the st. louis rams put their hands over their heads in a don't shoot pose right before their game against the oakland raiders. >> well h that is just wrong. why would anyone surrender to the raiders?

in ferguson. clearly there is still a lot of anger and a lot of distrust in ferguson and st. louis. >> yes. it's a tragedy all the way around. for the family of michael brown and i could hear the heartache in the voice of his father and family members who called for peace and tranquility. they want to respect this young man and realize that violence will only disrespect him. they are suffering on all sides here. we need to do a better job not just in terms of justice to make sure that those who are involved in law enforcement conduct themselves in a proper way but also that the deep, serious social problems that provide a context of unrest whenever tragedies like this happen. >> o'donnell: archbishop blase cupich, thank you for your time, happy thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving to you and all your viewers, good to be with you. udents improve their grades and their communities by connecting the classroom with community service. working together, students solve real problems, build new skills and apply their knowledge in a whole new way. inside the classroom and out, service learning opens n

in st. louis in ferguson. one of the organizers there. he said the minute he heard about what happened to eric garner, he started organizing protesters up here. that gives you a sense of how some demonstrators move city to city based on a particular cause. this is something that immediately touched his heart and made sure he came up to organize this demonstration. it's amazing what we saw tonight in terms of the group here. smaller than what we've seen in the previous nights. as you know, anderson, not thousands on the streets of new york. more like hundreds. i think this is probably at this point the largest group at about 200 plus. they started at columbus circle. staged a die-in at apple and then marched through the streets, stopped at macy's. then stopped at grand central. it's going to be interesting to see where they head to next. perhaps times square. it's been peaceful as we've seen so far. at one point, police managed to get people off the street on to the sidewalk. it's interesting the police response here versus chicago. i was

in ferguson. >>> the st. louis police group is now calling on the nfl to punish five st. louis rams players who stood with their hands raised before trotting onto the field. with the don't shoot gesture, protesting the fatal shooting of michael brown. the players say they hope something goodwill come out of their action. >> the violence starts, a lot of violence going on in st. louis. we definitely hear about it all and we just want it to stop. you know, we figured we have got a little bit of time, so like i say, we just want something positive overall to come out of it. >> the nfl said it was unaware of the plan. the police union was profoundly disappointed with the players who chose to ignore mountains of evidence they say released by the grand jury. however a tender moment was captured at a protest in portland, oregon and has gone viral. 12-year-old devonte hart was part of a ferguson demonstration there when he was overcome with emotion. police officer brett barnum tried to help and a simple hug made a huge difference. >> it is powerful. especially with what is going

st. louis rams raised their hands in the don't shoot gesture that is symbolic in the ferguson protests. the st. louis police officers association criticized the players for doing this. in ferguson, the streets remained quiet following the resignation of wilson. that city will increase minority representation on its police force. cnn's ed lavandera is in ferguson with more. >> reporter: john and christine, the streets have quieted since the riots one week ago. darren wilson is not a police officer. he turned in his resignation over the weekend and the mayor said no payments will be sent to darren wilson. the mayor talked about bridging the gap with the african-american community here in ferguson and its police department. announcing a series of steps and incentives to bring more african-american police officers to the force. the mayor here sounding like he wants to focus on the future and turning the page on the bad time. >> we continue to move on and officer wilson and his family has moved on. the city of ferguson is talking about how we can bring the community together. >> reporter: joh

the mayor of ferguson said there was no direct threat but called the resignation a step in the right direction. we will have a report on latest in ferguson at the top of the hour. in st. louis five members of the rams walked on to the football field during introductions yesterday with the hands up, don't shoot, pose, commonly seen during the ferguson protests. this has been imitated across the sports world since michael brown's death. fans leaving the gale were met by protesters and helmeted city police officers. half a dozen people were arrested in the demonstrations. >> san francisco police say they will have the final numbers on arrests and damage caused by ferguson protesters on friday. a largeup of people hit the streets to protest the grand jury decision in the michael brown case. they started out peacefully but some protesters began throwing glass bottles at police and breaking storens. two police officers were injured and the mall on market street closed early because of the violence. >> after a busy holiday weekend andshipping montreal alouettes of americans are expected to log on on cyber monday the biggest online shopping day of the week since 2010. where are the

getting a lot more information about another police shooting, this one just two miles in ferguson, missouri, in the st. louisurb of berkeley. it happened just outside of a gas station before midnight. police say the 18-year-old in question pointed a gun squarely at an officer. nevertheless, this is what happened not long afterwards. scuffles breaking out with protesters who came out to the gas station where the shooting happened. tensions were running high following the fatal shooting of michael brown in nearby ferguson just in august. our george howell is in berkeley, missouri. george, it's really critical to point out the mayor of this community, a state senator there, they have already hit the air waves to warn people, this is very, very different, it is not at all like the michael brown shooting. can you tell me what it is they're pointing to? >> reporter: looking at all the facts of the case, this does appear to be very different than the ferguson case because there's surveillance video. you see this happen, ashleigh. and we've tried to blow it up so you can see these characters, these people at the top

greider is a paralegal who became an activist in response to michael brown's death in ferguson, missouri. she's in st. louisica pierce is a co- founder of a group called the black youth project. she is in san francisco. jessica pierce, why do you can march? >> hi, how are you doing? >> woodruff: why do you march? i march because this is literally our lives at stake right now. it is literally our blood that's being shed on these streets. every 28 hours, there's a black person killed by a police force in this country. there are more people getting shot and killed on the streets here than in any line of defense in any other country. so really, what i march for is my life and my right to live it. >> woodruff: molly greider, is this about race or is this about something broader than that? >> i think first and foremost it's about race. i think, beyond that, there are broader issues, but i think that the issue at the forefront is certainly race. >> woodruff: so why do you march? >> because i feel morally obligated to. the fact that i'm not black does not mean that i should sit at home and not participate. >> woodr

st. louis police demanding that nfl players reprimanded. >> they vaughn austin and kenny britt acknowledge the situation in ferguson. >> reporter: the statement from the st. louis rams was clear last night as they took the field with their hands up in the air in pro test. protests continue a week after the grand jury decided not to indict officer darren wilson in the shooting death of michael brown. >> what do you want? >> all: justice! >> when do you want it? >> all: now. >> reporter: all this after wilson announced over the weekend he's resigning from the ferguson police force. in a letter to the department, he wrote -- i have been told that my continued employment may put the residents and police officers of ferguson at risk. ferguson's mayor says there was no direct threat to wilson but called his resignation a step in the right direction. it was a job wilson told abc's george stephanopoulos he loved but thought it would be impossible for him to keep. >> do you really think it's possible? i mean, do you think they would accept me? do you think it would be safe for me? >> reporter: he said he hoped his resignation would allow the community

in issue that goes beyond ferguson. it says the police officers in st. louisbviously have a first amendment right to say what they want. their reaction reflects how polarized the discussion has become. >> in the u.s., the president's daughters have been criticized. they were the target of some disparaging comments by a republican staffer. >> an interesting story in u.s. media. lots of articles. i pulled out one from "the washington post." this is elizabeth lauten a communications director for a republican representative. she resigned on monday because over the weekend she set off a firestorm for mocking malia and sasha obama on facebook here she was talking about how they were at and during the president's turkey pardon last week. if you look at the photos, they look like they are acting like teenagers. they do not look very enthusiastic. she said they should try to show a little class. "rise to the occasion, act like being in the white house matters. dress like you deserve respect, not a spot at the bar." she drew criticism across the political divide. "the w

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in new york, things appearing to be going much better than in ferguson and in st. louis. using an incredible amount of judicious restraint in how they are dealing with protesters compared to what we saw in st. louis. the protests have been peaceful, and very similar to st. louis. and obviously the reaction there to the grand jury's decision in new york was entirely different from what we saw in st. louis. and so to kind of see those parallels, it is very encouraging. but i had an opportunity to reach out to a number of organizers there in new york to hear what they have to say, and i was encouraged to see the movement that started in ferguson is continuing in chicago and new york and other cities. they shared with me they are tired of hearing about the deaths of young african-american men, especially those of color, which ties into why you see so many diverse individuals within new york. because they told me, they said, you know, john, we see this happen all of the time, not necessarily to the level of what we saw with michael brown, but we see this level of brutality in

in the days following the ferguson grand jury's decision not to indict the police officer in the death of michael brown, five st. louiss football players maid hid lines when they walked out on the field with their arms raised up, a nod to the hands up don't shoot movement. even though 15 out of the 20 eyewitnesses testifying before the missouri grand jury, apparently did not see michael brown with his hands up in the surrender position. some people still think it happened. while some said the players were within their right to make a social statement, others said it didn't belong on the field. that's juan williams and ask what they thought. >> all right, juan, what about the nfl? it is appropriate? >> yeah, i think it was do you? appropriate? >> i think appropriate. only thing they didn't tell the coach and it's a team game. i think you should tell the coach. sports is such a large platform in american life. i think back to john carlos, tommy smith, some people wearing hoodies after trayvon martin. you know, the clippers coming out with their uniforms on backwards to protest donald sterling's racist comments. i think

st. louis stands together. >> ed lavendera is in ferguson with more. good morning, ed. >> good morning, carol. that story is resonating here in the last 24 hours as the rams went on to a huge win yesterday, 52-0. they won yesterday and then a few hours after the game we see the statement from the st. louis police officers association very critical of what those players did on the field very critical. saying that essentially these players with siding with the "thugs" that had looted and caused so much destruction here in the city of ferguson and then asking the nfl to discipline those players. you know, kind of an intense story that was kind of going along the same day the mayor of ferguson was calling on new plans to recruit more african-american police officers to the police force and a task force that would improve and create dialogue between the police department and the african-american community here in ferguson. so you kind of had those two stories playing out on the same day, which i thought was kind of interesting. >> ed lavandera reporting liv

in ferguson. let's bring in christopher king, managing editor of "st. louis american." n a lot of protests, 108 days worth of protests in ferguson. obviously, the information coming out of the white house is brand new. protesters on the ground, have they been more specific in things they to want do done both in ferguson and internationally? >> there was a meeting where some demands were discussed. i haven't decided what they decided to keep in, what they decided to keep out. there's also been many, many private meetings. also sorts of political pressure being applied at all points. a few things i know, the role of the special prosecutor in local police shootings. i think they say we need special prosecutors. of course, police reform. also in st. louis municipal court reform, which is responsible for a lot of the abuse of the poor we saw in the aftermath of this terrible shooting. >> one other question i have, locally there is a new commission that's been created. mayor announcing a civilian review board. >> that's the mayor of ferguson. very low confidence any of us plac

in the st. louis area kind of overshadowing what is some good news. it was yet another quiet night here in the city of ferguson. >> while the grand jury proceeding in st. louis county has concluded, i can report this evening that the justice department's investigation into the shooting death of michael brown as well as our investigation into allegations of unconstitutional policing patterns and practices by the ferguson police department remain on going and remain active. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: inside the historic ebenezer baptist church, attorney general eric holder gave a speech. the attorney general paused to ensure protesters' voices could be heard. >> what we saw there was a genuine expression of concern and involvement. let me be clear, i ain't mad at you, all right? [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: late monday night, the st. louis rams addressed the controversy by five of its players, their hands up dent shoot message. a local police association said it implied while michael brown was shot while attempting to surrender. the rams head called the police officers and said in part we expre

something like this, something that's as deeply rooted as the events that happened in ferguson, being that they're in st. louis and they do business with those who are on both sides of the coin, i think it was an appropriate action, and i can understand why they apologized. i however don't expect those players to face any disciplinary action. >> do you think people are hearing what they want to hear and believing what they want to believe in this particular case? people, it's all been played out, the grand jury has come to a conclusion. and on the other side there are people who believe the officer was attacked and should not have been indicted. regardless of what you say, what the evidence shows, people are going to believe what they want to believe. do you believe that, benjamin? >> i think there are some people who are going to believe no matter what what they want to believe. i also believe that many of us, myself included, come into certain situations already looking for evidence to support what we believe. not really looking for the truth but looking for something to support what we already believe and t

but yesterday, the ongoing issues in ferguson took center stage at a pro football game. >> these st. louis raised in their silent protest about the ferguson police shooting. it had lots of peoplehg6cnr'g about. nbc 10's jim rosenfield is live in the digital operations (>/ center. >> the st. louis police officers association says those five st. louis rams players who took part in yesterday's display on the field should be disciplined and they say also the nfl should apologize. those five players as you just saw, entered the stadium with their hands up. protesters since 18-year-old michael brown was shot and killed by former police officer darren wilson. the rams' players say they simply want toed show support for the people in nearby ferguson. >> we wanted to doo4u something. nobody -- we haven't been able to go down to ferguson to view anything because we've been busy. i mean, secondly, it's kind of dangerous down g'[]there. none of us want to get caught up in anything. we wanted to show our respects to the protests and people that have actually been doing a heck of a job around the world.

the players say they wanted to show compassion and solidarity for the protesters in ferguson. >>> the st. louis police officer's association issued a statement. all of the comes after darren wilson resigned saturday from the ferguson police department he served on for three years. joining me now this morning is nbc news chris jansing. we thank you for being with us. chris, let's start with you. tell us about the meetings president obama is holding today in ferguson. big focus today on the situation. something the president talked about after a grand jury refused to return an indictment. so he begins with this new meeting with certain members of his cabinet who have been focussed since august on a review of the program that provides surplus essentially military equipment. and we saw in august in the riots that followed the aftermath of the michael brown shooting they came out with assault style transportation, riot gear, and people felt that contributed to the overall negative atmosphere mr. there. they want to look whether or not the programs work and where there is equipment provided, is there

huge poverty, the level of people who don't even have high school diplomas or ged is huge in ferguson and st. louis, and the people at or below the poverty level as we said is huge, but there isn't really, aside from a group we're working with now, who have something called a bridges to peace, there hasn't been a positive step of action laid out, and so i think a lot of folks are reaching out. they're angry, lou, i don't want your audience to get the idea that the message coming out of this is saying whites are oppressing blacks at all-time high level, but i think what is really happening is that folks are saying stop the madness and sharpton and those guys i think are pouring gasoline on a raging fire, and they opened pandora's box, and it won't be easily closed. that is part of the problem at this point. i think that holder, i've not been a fan of his all along, because he's selectively enforcing the law in the nation. lou: he's a political activist, a political activist in the attorney general's office. >> yes. lou: he leads the political arm of this administration. >> he really does. so lou, i

. >>> nfl finds itself in the middle of the ferguson fallout. st. louis county police say they received an apology from the st. louis rams after file players held up their hands in a show of support for michael brown. but the team insist there is was no apology? which one is it in 0 our team coverage begins from ferguson, missouri. >> that's a back and forth that seems will be something that continues into today as conversations about police relations and the african-american community across country rage on. >> while the grand jury proceeding in st. louis county has concluded, i can report that the justice department's investigation into the shooting death of michael brown, as well as our investigation into allegations of unconstitutional policing patterns, or practices by the ferguson police department remain ongoing. and remain active. >> inside the historic ebenezer baptist church in atlanta, attorney general eric holder addressed the country. at times his words were stifled by the chant of protesters. the attorney general paused to insure their voice

in a different way, very briefly. >> absoluh1éñ i'll talk first about ferguson. when we first started, we actually started by organizing an evangelical network in st. louisy embedded and involved in the protests that are happening in ferguson. Ñz i'm going up to new york city to take part in a jericho march, and lots of evangelicals will be involved in that as well. >> lisa, many thanks. >> thank you so much.'½uç in other news, in washington this week, civil rights activists and faith leaders launched a new campaign to end the death penalty. the project is called "90 million strong." the group said capital punishment is a broken system and that it disproportionately affects the mentally ill and >>> in his annual message the world day of peace, pope francis called for a new movement to end human trafficking. with christmas approaching, he urged consumers to avoid buying products from companies that use exploited labor, saying quote purchasing is always a moral, and not simply, an economic act. he also said his thoughts were with the people of the world who have had their freedom and human dignity taken from them. >>> a after a successful social media fun

in ferguson. >> reporter: the statement from the st. louis rams was clear last night as they took the field with hair hands up in protest. p p protests continue a week after the grand jury decided not to file charges in the death of michael brown. all this after wilson announced over the weekend he's resigning from the ferguson police force. in a letter to the department, he wrote -- i have been told that my continued employment may put the residents and police officers of ferguson at risk. ferguson's mayor says there was no direct threat to wilson but called his resignation a step in the right direction. it was a job he loved. >> do you really think it's possible? i mean, do you think they would accept me? do you think it would be safe for me? >> reporter: he said he hoped his resignation would allow the community to heal. >> i think there are many more resignations to happen in order for this community to begin healing. >> reporter: here in washington, president obama will hold a series of high-level meetings at the white house on ferguson

in st. louis county, missouri, are investigating another deadly shooting involving police. >> it happened overnight in the small town of berkeley, just outside of fergusons john wang with the latest. >> reporter: just a handful of protesters here at the gas station and convenience store where this incident happened late last night. a different scene in the moments after the incident. as the word spread on social media, a large group of protesters gathered. there were clashes with police. at one point someone threw a firecracker in the midst of all those gas çpumps. luckily nothing happened. there were four arrestse?9b÷ overnight but they -- the crowds were mostly gone by about 4:00 a.m. and police are quick to point out that this is different from ferguson. it's a neighboring community to ferguson, only a few miles away) from all that happened there. they point out there is surveillance video they released that they say shows the young man raising his arm with a pistol, pointing it at the officer before he was shot. they say a pistol was a 9 millimeter gun was recovered at the scene. five rounds in the magazine, one round in the chamber, ready to be fi

it happened in berkeley, a suburb of st. louis, to miles from ferguson. >> another black teenager shot dead by police in missouri. antonioeen named as martin who was killed at a petrol station. she doesn'tays that believe that he was causing any trouble. going to get up and run. he was trying to get up and run, they started shooting him. >> almost immediately, protesters gathered at the scene of the shooting. soon there was violence and confrontation. the police say they were targeted with what they call explosive devices come and had been fireworks. into the night, they used pepper spray to disperse around 300 demonstrators. the police say the officer involved in the shooting is clearly acting in self-defense. they released this footage showing the lead up to the incident, saying he had been investigating reports of a robbery when he was approached by a man he had been questioning. >> the individual had produced a pistol and was pointing at the officer across the hood. at that point, the officer produced his service weapon and fired but we think at this

ferguson. these protests it have spread to an american hold most sacred, football. >> the event in ferguson have crossed over into the world of sports. >> five players of the st. louis rams put their hands over their heads in a don't shoot pose right before their game against the oakland raiders. >> well h that is just wrong. why would anyone surrender to the raiders? thankfully, when the st. louis police, see young black men with their hands in the air, they come out firing. >> the st. louis police officer association is condemning the player's actions calling the mott tasteless, offensive and inflammatory. >> it is tasteless and offensive to see this at that time an nfl game. which reminded me, welcome back, ray rice, we've missed you. and the you have to stop that offensive gesture before it spreads. during the game i saw referees do it a bunch of times. they have giant field monuments to it at the each end of the field. later the crowd even passed it tarnd the stadium in some kind of celebration. the point is, these players should be punished. i say we make them play football using only their feet with some kind of penalty for touching it with their hands. you k

st. louis rams players for an onfield show of support for protesters in ferguson. they raise their arms in that hands up don't shoot gesture before yesterday's game against the oakland raiders. the st. louis police officers association said it was disappointed with the football players and called for an apology. >>> holiday travelers heading to the airport will experience a few flight delays. sfo expects 125,000 people to flow through the terminals and delays up to two hours yesterday because of heavy rain in the bay area and bad weather elsewhere but today the problems are minimal and people are seeing off their relatives, they are pleased. >> everything runs very well. and it is a beautiful day to come back. >> i thought it was going to be a lot more crowded than this actually. so it is pretty good. >> in the the event of scattered showers there could be delays in the range of 45 to 60 minutes. so it is a good idea to check with your airline ahead of time. >>> a part of the pacific coast highway in ventura county remains closed because of a mud slide. tumbling mud

isn't enough. >> we'll be talking about it in a moment. >>> nfl finds itself in the middle of the ferguson fallout. st. louis an apology from the st. louis rams after file players held up their hands in a show of support for michael brown. but the team insist there is was no apology? which one is it in 0 our team coverage begins from ferguson, missouri. >> that's a back and forth that seems will be something that continues into today as conversations about police relations and the african-american community across country rage on. >> while the grand jury proceeding in st. louis county has concluded, i can report that the justice department's investigation into the shooting death of michael brown, as well as our investigation into allegations of unconstitutional policing patterns, or practices by the ferguson

in the new democracy let the journalists live. >> the protests in ferguson spilled on to the football field when five members of the st. louis rams took to the field sunday in a hands up don't shoot pose that started controversy between police and team over an apology. a senate committee held hearings on violence in domestic sports as ray rice is preparing to play again in the nfl. to discuss both stories, we are joined by dave. dave, good to see you, the rams head coach stood behind his players right to express themselves. the league won't punish them but the st. louis police officers association is not happy and now there is this back and forth over whether the team apologized, police want the players to she punished. do the police have a point in saying that the pose was anti police? >> the starting point is talking to the players them receivers and finding out why it is they did that pose. they said they were doing it because they wanted the people of ferguson to know that they were not forgotten, that it was a solidarity with ferguson pose. also, that pose has become now a symbol nationally, not for the case in ferguson

in suburban st. louis after a fatal shooting of a black teenager by a white police officer, it happened at a convenience store in berkeley, missouri, just a few miles from fergusonchael brown was killed in august. >> reporter: anger erupting on the streets of suburban st. louis again last night this time in berkeley, missouri, protesters gathered where a white police officer fatally shot a white teenager. berkeley police say that the officer was conductsing a routine check when the teenager pointed a gun at him, police released video captured outside after the incident. you have to look carefully, it shows a man raising a weapon towards the officer, the police say the officer fired in response. >> the video shows that the deceased pointed a gun that has been recovered. >> the protest took a turn towards violence, a quick trip convenience store was vandalized and two officers suffered injuries. >> there are no winners just nothing but losers. >> the shooting happens just a few miles from ferguson, missouri, where michael brown was fatally wounded by a white officer in august. a woman in the crowd identified herself as the victims mother. >> the officer a six year

in ferguson, no, i wasn't interviewing people in st. louis. yeah.is police abuse you have got 800,000 cops. some of them will be sadists or jerks. >> some of them. they won't do it to you or to me because we are known and we are white some some of them will abuse people. you don't shut down society. ambulances can't get through and accidents, the guy goes looting is okay that's nuts and wrong no argument from me there. >> but the protests, i don't think, understand the big picture. russell simmons, i hope he comes in tomorrow to talk with us. is he a sincere guy. weave have had him on the program before. is he comparing federal grand juries to state and local grand juries. >> while they indict they almost never indict cops. >> they are in difficult circumstances a lot of these times and there is a lot of violence against the cops but i don't think russell simmons knows much about anything. >> i'm sticking up for simmons. see what he has. got guts to come in here. you have to admire that. when you talk to the limousine. most of them do not have cars

what we're seeing in ferguson, greater st. louisaving a broader conversation, greater awareness, realities and perceptions that people of color have known about for a long time. this is laying down the the realities that most of cleveland has known be the true. >> i want to pull something from your article and get the entire table to respond. and you write that the clinton administration grants for community policing increase the number of officers on foot and bike patrols in the neighborhoods, but that money dried up, and the local police departments were hit with layoffs and budget cuts as the economy tank in the mid 2000s. how much of the debate is simply about money or something else? >> i think most people are not sure what they're saying when they say community policing. just having a cop in a beat is not community policing. we have to all be clear on what community policing is. it's a philosophy that the whole department has to accept. and it talks about partnerships with other agencies. the police are the only things that ce

st. louis rams protest. st. louis police called the rams players' hands up protest in support of ferguson protesters tasteless, offensivenflammatory. the st. louis police chief claims the rams official apologized, but the team is denying any apology was made. this shows the deep division and why so many people are looking for an outlet. do you have any problem with this outlet? >> absolutely not. it's interesting whether or not an apology was made. it's emblematic through the own lens of how they understand the world and this is just another example of that kind of miscommunication. >> chuck? >> i don't know, rev. i don't know. i'm just saying there's a time to protest and make political statements and there's a time not to. i don't know. >> i think it's curious -- that was very good. it's cure whious that the police department is spending so much time on the perfectly reasonable protest and, you know, of the rams because haven't they got enough to deal with? i.e., their police force. 50 police officers, white, three african-american. instead of looking for an apology, why didn't they start looking at their own back doo

officer stopped them and there is this report, ksdk, one of the tv stations there in the ferguson, missouri area in st. louis one of the fbi interviews with dorian johnson, maybe two hours, was not released. this may now be released. i guess it's important to try to see if there were deviations, changes in his eyewitness account of what happened raising questions about his credibility. you've heard those questions raised. >> you hit the nail on the head. there are two reasons here. one is transparency, as sunny said. prosecutors said i want to be as transparent as possible, so they're doing as promised. the second thing is, the public may not know that much about, as we have tried to report as much as we can with the information that we've had, is that dorian johnson's testimony may have changed during what he said to the fbi and what he said that went to the grand jury, and what he said in front of television cameras. so this release of information could show that it did or did not. but i would imagine if they are, at this point, and again, i'm just assuming if they are getting this out as quickly as possib