fernando cutz, let me start with you. jair bolsonaro, is he the rig man for this moment? >> you know, i think, overall, he is. i think that he certainly will have some inhallenges. i he's said some things that are certainly, you know,me offensive to si think certain things he said are certainly more to have the populist side of,you know, any candidacy, but, in bigpicture, i think he's got the right things down. brazil right now needs tee things -- an economic boost, it freeze corruption to end, and it needs crime tost severely go down. and i think bolsonaro came in and made a point of promising and hammering these three things down. now is the tough part, he has to deliver on these three things. if hel can, althings point to he at least has the right team around him, i think he w truly lead where siliin the right direction. >> can he tackle all three things, perhaps despite some of the human rights concerns that people have? >> well, i think the human rights concerns are certainly a serious issue to be considered in this new atrdminion. let me focus a little bit on the cr

to understand what this means for brazil and t region we get two views from: fernando cutz. he was director for south america on the national security council staff duri the trump administration. he's now a senior associate at thcohen group, a consultin firm. and, elizabeth leeds is a senioa fellow at thington office on latin america where she focuses on brazil. thank you very much. arnando cutz, let me strt with you. jair bolsonaro, is he the right man for this moment? you know, i think, overall, he is. i think that he certainly will have some challenges. i think he's said some things that are certainly, you know, offensive to some, i think certain things he sre certainly more to have the populist side of, you know, any candidacy, but, in big picture, i think he's got the rig things down. brazil right now needs three things -- an economic boost, it freeze corruption to end, and it needs crime to just severely go wn. and i think bolsonaro came in and made a point of promising and hamhrmering these things down. now is the tough part, he has to deliver on these threings. if he

fernando, now you can walk me down. [laughter] mr. rendon: we will finish with you. mr. cutz: from my perspective, being in the white house first for roughly a year and a half, working on venezuela policy, we have taken everything that -- well, let me say any official statement that have been put out, i will not say everything that has been said, speaker , but everything was debated, was discussed, and i will say -- what can we do? we can do a lot. the question is -- what will we do? what are we, the american people, prepared to bear? and what will be, somehow, beneficial, big picture, to venezuelan people? leftyou talk about what is in the roadmap we crafted in actions against venezuela, it is oil embargo, and it is war, r ight, at the end of the day. unless there have been another 38 meetings of the agency, which i am not possible, and aware of, but in my mind at least, those are the two main options as well. an oil embargo is doable. we can certainly do it. i do not think economically it would present a huge threat to the united states in any way, especially right now with