yes, fernando duarte, we will allow you — expression.will allow you the _ expression. yes, fernando duarte, we will allow you the expression - expression. yes, fernando duarte, we will allow you the expression on - expression. yes, fernando duarte, we will allow you the expression on a - will allow you the expression on a time like this. a much loved son of brazil lost, it will be fascinating to see those scenes when it comes to the funeral. could be an event i guess that overshadows even the inauguration of the new president, so it is a difficult unsettling time for many brazilians. thank you so much for being with us on bbc news to talk about pele. let's turn to myanmar. a court in military—ruled myanmar has found the deposed leader aung san suu kyi guilty in all five counts of corruption in proceedings that have been condemned in the west as a sham. the 77—year—old was arrested when the military seized power on 1st of february last year in a coup that ended a decade of tentative democracy and plunged the country into chaos. she is bei

a little earlier, i spoke about this news and the legacy of pele with fernando duarte, who has met thealler several times. >> you don't have to go too far, you can look at youtube, you can look at videos and see how special this guy was. it will be huge in brazil, a lot of brazilians will regret not having worshiped him more in life. i'm not saying that the human being was perfect. far from that. you can complain about a lot of stuff. but as a public figure in brazil, he was huge. he was brazil in a way. that is the only brazilian that i know tt has been identified everywhere and it's going to be difficult, brazil may never produce a footballer like him. the world may never produce a footballer like him. there's a huge discussion about lionel messi, etc., but when pele was at his prime, he made things special. like john lennon once said, if rock 'n' roll had to be reinvented, he would've been called chuck berry. >> that is interesting to hear you say that. given the world cup we have just come out of, all the mesmerizing skills of messi. whenever we have that debate about whether it is

fernando duarte is a brazilian journalist and writer.been telling us the impact pele's death has had on the country. well, people in brazil at least will agree that he was the greatest ever. there's no doubt amongst brazilians. yeah, it's a sad time. it was coming. i mean, he had been ill fora number of years, even before the cancer was diagnosed. so... there's nothing that prepares you for that. in the next few days, but also a lot of gratitude. i think brazilians will also pay tribute to their best ambassador ever, our best ambassador ever. i was reading details about the funeral. it probably will be something almost as big as the one of ayrton senna in 1994. although senna's death was tragic and unexpected, there was much more grief at that time. i mean, he was obviously aware of his importance and aware of the impact he was having in football and society as a whole. but he never showed that in terms of he never was arrogant or assertive about that. i interviewed him, like, a number of times. i met him across two decades almost. and h

earlier, i spoke about pele and his legacy with bbcjournalist, fernando duarte, who met the footballer times. a lot of resilience will regret not worshipping him more. i'm nota single human being was perfect, far from that. you can complain about a lot of stuff, but as a public figure in brazil, he was huge. he was brazil, anyway. that is the only brazilian that i know that has been identified everywhere, and it is going to be difficult. brazil might never produce a footballer like him. i think the world might never produce a footballer like him. i know there is a huge discussion about lionel messi etc, but when pele was at his prime, when the football was heavier, he made things special. likejohn lennon once said, "if rock and roll had to be reinvented, it would have been called chuck berry." if football was reinvented, it would be called edson arantes do nascimento.— arantes do nascimento. interesting to hear you — arantes do nascimento. interesting to hear you say _ arantes do nascimento. interesting to hear you say that, _ arantes do nascimento. interesting to hear you say that, gi

joining me now, with more on this is bbcjournalist, fernando duarte who met pele several times. meetings, fernando. —— very envied you are. it of those meetings, fernando. -- very envied you are-— envied you are. it was like meeting one of the avengers, _ envied you are. it was like meeting one of the avengers, a _ envied you are. it was like meeting one of the avengers, a superhero, | one of the avengers, a superhero, bigger than life. and i like the old adarsh, you shouldn't mean heroes like pele, because i was never disappointed when i met him. the guy wasjust bigger than disappointed when i met him. the guy was just bigger than life, incredible. he lit up the room with his smile. and he knew how to play a role and how to play the media game etc, but he was so special and as a brazilian, i'mjust etc, but he was so special and as a brazilian, i'm just gutted. etc, but he was so special and as a brazilian, i'mjust gutted. it etc, but he was so special and as a brazilian, i'm just gutted. it is the kind of news that you never like to be reading. hour the kind of news that you nev

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