that's what ferran does. some of it is to a very traditional aesthetic but using computer-controled machines that will exactly regulate the temperature rather than by doing it by guess and by gosh. and so some is saying let's ching our technique regardless of the style we apply to and some is about saying let's try to do stuff really new. >> rose: you i think in in an interview said something like this. that when the impressionist first came to the forefront people didn't understand what they were doing or where they were taking us and they understood that and were okay with that. >> yup. >> rose: but then it became what it became and you see an analogy with modernist question seen. >> modern start in large part the story of avant-garde groups of which the french impressionists were one of the earliests that said we're going to do something very different. controversial. at the kipl widely decried. in the book we have some cartoons from paris newspapers of the 1870s. one shows a pregnant woman being refused a

they have created ferran this crimes over a long. of time and have absolutely no business putting cells into society again. the accretive-horrific crimes. >>pam: thank you, for your input. will have more for a developing story. this is out of san mateo. police have shot and killed a man it happened on our map at the intersection of oak street and that is where kron 4 jonathan blum joins us. jonathan? >>reporter: the police and on the scene for over five hours with a officer related shooting. the man opened fire at the officers returned fire striking that suspect. we have not actually heard from police. we have heard from people on the scene at that the canine waunit was here that there is a debt individual here at the scene. police have confirmed that there were no officers were injured. this is david sklar. what happened? >> when i got home there were five police officers on the streets with their guns out. they're running up the street. some with rifles pointed at this house. there was obscenities being yelled from the " culprit. s