ferrers thank you for joining me here thank you for having at least i've been loving your writing you've been doing some great stuff as you know these are these are kind of dire times we've seen crazy climate change related disasters recently and you know this opens up these disasters to be opening up a they always seem to open up a hole for a neo cons in the neo liberals to run in their unexploited disaster disaster capitalism get in there make some money off the people that have been devastated and you talked recently when you go to calls about the n.g.o.s and how they and how they help open that door you want to talk about natural disasters but maybe you talk more in africa and i just want to talk a little about that how do these n.g.o.s do i think in a way they're the twins of the mercenaries that go in and destroy their countries or create havoc destabilization and then on the back side they come in to n.g.o.s their various philanthropist. to pretend like they're saving people when in reality they're kind of prop because the system of what i call you know this can only listen can on