so i don't know if fetterman helps governor wolf. think for political and strategic reasons, you want a southeastern base, northeast philadelphia. notwithstanding lieutenant governor stack's controversies, he's still extremely popular. he can bring out some votes from southeastern pennsylvania. >> in the modern era of politics, only one lieutenant governor has ever ascended to a higher office other than by vacating the governorship, and that was raymond shafer, and nobody can remember him. mark singel, mark schweiker -- they became governor because their governors were unhealthy in one case and took a new position in the other. this is the worst move, in my opinion. >> jim cawley probably in recent history was probably the most engaged, impactful lieutenant governor. >> right. >> but otherwise, it's an empty position. >> but for fetterman to do this is to put himself where he has this outsider kind of mantra. now he's in the inside baseball lane. this is i think a terrible move. >> stack's the only guy in philadelphia who dresses bet