telling the american people there will come a day when we don't need to have any troops in afghanistan fg. if the strategy works we'll have a functioning government in afghanistan sometime after the middle of 2011. and that will prevent the talib taliban's return. what is our b-- but the achievement of that strategy is outside of control of the united states. relies in large part on the afghan people and the karzai government, which may be as bad as the detractors indicate. secretary clinton, are we prepared to go to the american people and say, counter -- we tried counter insurgency, it didn't work. not at fault of the u.s. military. and that we're returning to counterterrorism, or are we promising the american people that by 2012, 2013, we will be out of afghanistan? >> congressman, i think it's important to draw the contrast between combat troops and between support troops, the kind that would be continuing to train and provide logisticses, perhaps intelligence, air lift. the support the afghans might need going forward. we have certainly dedetermined that we have to stand up the afgha