fgm is just one little part. no education in life for you, as a girl. and so, there was a lot of things that have to come together. and this is exactly what i do now, or i tried to do — first was to give a face to fgm, which everyone was like, "what's she say? what's she talking about? "mm—hm, mm—hm, yeah, yeah, good luck, thank you. yep." and this was another shock, i thought the world was running with me and said, "ok, thank you, girl, "you tell us something, but now we have to do something. "we have to change the laws everywhere," even there's laws they still practise. and... you've had 25 years... 25 years! ..of campaigning. i cannot believe i'm sitting here again. anyway! and i'm just wondering whether, after 25 years, you're satisfied with the success you've had? no. because the truth is, look at the latest un figures from last year — they reckon between 150—200 million women and girls in the world today have experienced female genital mutilation. it is still happening to the tune of 90% of all females in c