[laughter] >> we work closely with fhsa and all the areas where we can align as clough as possible, we do. the majority of our requirements under hamp -- >> why not outside of that in >> i think they are close. they are not identical. there are differences with individual services and loan types, but i think they are amazingly close in most aspects. >> all right. i didn't mean to dominate, but let me get mr. deutsche. you seem to be conflicted yourself, and i don't mean that personally, but as a representative of both mortgage servicers and investors, and i just, wearing a hat of a representative of investors, put that hat on your head if you can here. how serious a problem do you think the service of conflicts of interest are in regard to example of excess fees and of course placing insurance, and do you have any suggested solutions? you heard in testimony that services are low to seek putbacks of loans where the putbacks come from their parent companies. i wonder if you agree with that comment in the assessment? >> again, with the hat of an investor on, i think our first lien investo