, you his fiat punto, i canthere they sit there and they think, you his fiat punto, i can rinse withto, i can rinse him for an extra few quid. and so on so forth, and i can so on and so forth, and i can fix my financial woes. >> well, i have to admit >> well, michel, i have to admit that before i worked for that even before i worked for boris, i chaired the committee for which for london councils, which actually looking this. actually is now looking at this. i parking myself i raised parking fines myself when i chaired that committee. and think to say and i do think you have to say that fines do probably need to keep up with inflation and tfl increased the fines on their roads last year and it looks to me like london councils is now considering catching up with what tfl is charging for borough now for their borough roads. but i do think that there is a great element of truth in what you say that there is a war on the motorist and raising finance has become a driver in this . i don't become a driver in this. i don't think it's too much a matter of yellow lines because nearly everybody

pas as of yesterday, a 2008 petrol for 1500, couple more around the 1500 mark for fiesta , fiat grande, puntopeugeot renaults, a vauxhall corso. so we think there are about 1000 cars for sale right now for around that 2000. and in the greater london area, about 4000 nationwide. and but we know that most people well, most people have a have a ulez compliant car. but for those who are looking probably they're probably looking at trying to sell their car rather than take up that scrappage offer of £2,000. >> yeah. and when we say i think it's up to 2000, isn't it? presumably you're getting more than you would do if you took it to a second—hand dealer or to a second—hand car dealer or even went to a scrap yard for instance . instance. >> yeah. so it depends what you've got that you're trying to trying to get rid of. and the reason part of the reason that we were pushing for the scrappage scheme to be extended to and means to everyone and not so means tested, but know that tested, but you know that everyone in the greater london area, fall under area, which will now fall under ulez, access to this