austin and kansas city, the reason those were chosen by google fiecial, they were fiberg to cut red tape. what i want to see happen in cities all around america, it starts by making private deploymendeployment easy, i acto think there's a role for government but that role is installing smart infrastructure. that means putting in conduits understreets, so private companies like google fiber -- >> if you have checked recently verizon, at&t and comcast are wildly profitable companies. let them build their own pipes. >> right, here's the point. if you make deployment cheaper you can bring another provider into the market. it could be google fiber, it can be small companies that have tried odeploy and have been rebuffed. i would like to see new deployment into the market. the point is you can make it cheaper, can you change the economics of the market to stimulate deployment, and spending a lot less taxpayer dollars and then the city would lease out those conduits to private providers and you get the benefits of competition without the government having to be in the business. >> we have seen