we prepared for the moment when renewables would be an open, and fiercee battlegroundgeompetitive advantcine: you tell them this is my problem. battery b or storage facility. what is that relationship like'r invest. we have partnership. we dt get i why not. ? francesco: it is simple. we are not able to make mistakes. wrongthealy we havif you can'te investments, you better not invest in startups. we said genetically we are not able to do that. let other people do that. and we do is take startups bring them to market quickly and deploy them on the large-scale we have, and do not pretend to have exclusive rights because we want them to becom, available ways of generating energy for everybody. we see competition between energy sources, not energy plers. become electricity to competitive against other energy sources. that is the fight. francine: how realistic is it that electric vehicles become a meaningful source of revenue for you? francesco: they will. francine: 10 years? francesco: maybe less. today, we are at the beginningsn next year we will all say how stupid we were. billions car manu