>> well, not exactly at this level tell fiezed. the martha moxley case was pretty high profile but we didn't have cameras in the courtroom. it is kind of shocking and i think you were right there from the beginning in the last one 15, 16 years ago. strange. >> it's strange and yet what they told you, with someone told you cindy told you about the swimming pool and the ladder relevant evidence, right, mark? >> it is relevant evidence but it was already stated to the police and they reiterated that to me and i made sure the police had heard that prior they did. >> i think it's probably one of the only pieces of information that actually points to a possibility of a cause of death. once again is it accidental or is it inflicted at the hands of another. in other words a drowning can be accidental or it can be intentional premedicat pre-medi you said yesterday an aggravated man slaughter in some form. >> good point. we will talk more with mark fuhrman. there's no doubt she is a consummate liar who created a galaxy of reality of friends.