my guest is transport minister fikile mbalula.e ruling anc being confronted with its own failure? fikile mbalula in cape town, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having me, and to all your listeners. it's a pleasure to have you on the show. tell me, minister, how would you characterise the shocking, the terrible violence that swept across parts of your country last week? it was a hyped—up... ..accumulation of anarchy at the highest level, as you know that anarchy is the higher state of disorder, and then it exhibited opportunistic elements like criminality, as a result of the unemployed, you know, jumping into the bandwagon of looting. because of their vulnerability, which in the main majority are just innocent stand—byers who justjoined the hype, but the orchestrators of this, from the calls, the mobilisation on social networks, it had all the characteristics of an attempt on undermining the democratic state and mobilising for its overthrow. in essence, you seem to be saying, pretty much as your president said, that this was some