designed that it would have given them more space by moving them over, but this is an example on fillmore st.. i actually measured from the building, a three-story building, to the stem of the tree, 3 feet, 9 inches. what we have on columbus beat is 5 feet between the trunk of the tree and where the property line is. president hwang: what about the issue of the roots? >> this is something where we do not know where their roots are. some people mention that there was a building on the site and that they may not be that bad. a ficus is an incredibly tough trade, and it there was a tree that could save -- could survive this atmosphere, it would be it. it would seem that the trade should be given a chance. they had not been maintained before, which is why they are in this condition, and just to kill them just because they not been maintained it seems rather rude. president hwang: so your response effectively as we do not know where they are, so it is not necessarily an issue, is back it? >> well, the arborist who was hired by the city mentioned in their report, they only did a report on one of t