he brought the glass company to toledo because number one, there was natural glass in findlay. there was high silica sand available. the businessmen of toledo sweeten the pot and gave him the site for the factory as well as the ability to build houses. once here in toledo, it faltered a bit. the workers were not happy because they did not have their family around. it was not a highly developed area. all the amenities that they were used to in the boston area were not available in toledo. he lost a bunch of workers. he went to west virginia to to recruit the workers he needed. he also recruited a man named michael owens. he ran the factory in the early days and he led the marketing campaign. he was able to go to places like the world's fair in order to put the libby glass company on the international stage. the place where he did that first was the 1893 chicago world's fair. he built this whole rebellion, a whole glass furnace and they could see glass being made. of course, stop at a gift shop at the end and purchase glass. this turned out to be wildly successful. not only do th

if you are having an argument in which you say there is no evidence that you can give me, thursday findlay something -- because i believe this is inherently true. in my faith statement, this is real for me. you are not having an evidentiary based conversation. at that point you can really can stop having it. with the recognition that what you are saying is then you are not making a truth claim. you are making a religious stake. that is whether you want to debate that your clash is different but at least it clarifies what you are actually talking about. most interesting thing is to actually fight about the evidence realizing you have won the evidentiary war and have not touched the actual conversation you are having. the other one is who benefits? this is the one i've gotten the most satisfaction from. i think cliff has seen these conversations. with teenagers. the question was not to say i think what you just said a stupid and it's not real. not that you would all ever do that. you guys are all great teachers. not that you would ever say this is untrue and i don't wanna talk about this. th