and your submitting a fingerprint? >> ma'am, it wasn't never no request. what he's saying is untruthful. there never was a request. when i stepped to the window and he request i get fingerprints i go straight down the hall and get 'em. it was never you send me a letter to go somewhere. i denied it. when you send me down the hall, i went straight down there and done it. so what he's telling you is untruthful. >> i think -- you know, i think that the issue regarding fingerprints only relate to the request for the new permit for bay bridge. is that what your understanding is? rather than the existing one. for nelson. >> yes. but i'm still trying to understand what happened with meeting or not meeting the request in a timely fashion. >> okay. >> but he's not -- i think -- and tell me if i'm wrong, mr. johnson. you're not requesting any -- you don't object to the denial of the bay bridge permit at all. >> no. i don't deny -- i mean i'm not denying the bay bridge permit. i can understand that. >> it's the existing one. >> th

>> this is not similar to fingerprinting.print the tip -- fit is the tip of my finger and the dna is a genetic print of my background, and who i am and i welcome anybody to take my fingerprint if it is necessary and only when it is necessary. however, taking my dna is an invasion of my privacy and the government has no right to my genetic material. >> lily haskell, thank you for getting up early to talk to us about this extraordinary constitutional issue. we will look forward to hearing how you feel about the outcome. thanks, ashleigh. >>> lily ash has ket joining us from san francisco. the legal aspects continuing with our legal experts in a moment roadrunner: meep meep. meep meep? (sfx: loud thud sound) what a strange place. geico®. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. i just served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] sh

i immediately complied and got fingerprinted and photographed. my issue is trying to comply with the actual ordnance. it is impossible. i sell hundreds of things per month. i sell mostly to dealers and decorators. i still -- i sell to a steady line of regular clients and get people from all over the world. as everybody said already, it's a very difficult to do business as it is right now. the economy is not great and we do what we can to be as flexible as we can and stay in business. most people can't afford the fee. i can afford the fee, sort of, but the problem is complying with this law. it's virtually impossible. it's an imposition on my clients. i would hate to ask my customers to give me more information than is actually necessary that i would put on a receipt. it's almost treating them like criminals. i don't buy anything off the street. my sources are other antique stores, a flea markets, estate sales, auctions. other people buy things from the restores, bye-bye from reputable deals -- reputable dealers. we are not pawnbrokers, we are an

the fingerprint is the copy. >> the police would review it the next eight days.his picture is shown on several national news programs. >> police are searching coast to coast for a man they suspect is a serial killer. they say andrew cunanan is responsible for the death of at least four people. >> media coverage of the cunanan search leads to a call from a man in a miami sandwich shop. >> 911. police. >> this is kenny from miami subs. i think i saw this guy on "america's most wanted." this is no joke. >> what was he wearing? >> black shorts, white shirt. >> which way did he go? >> he's inside the store right now. >> by the time police arrive at the shop, cunanan has vanished. >> this is one person who has been able to elude both national and local authorities for a significant amount of time, kind of a chameleon in the general population, so he's hard to detect. he's quite smart and he's probably been able to manipulate people his entire life, so now he's feeling not only can i be able to beat other people, but you know what, i'm now going to challenge law enforce

is it different than fingerprinting? >> well, that is my next question, how different is it from fingerprinting you will be asked here -- to give up a swab before you are charged? >> that was one of the arguments made in the court of appeals. and the judges completely rejected that argument, fred. >> two to one -- >> in 2004, the interesting people in the great state of california, many of whom participate in those legal marijuana sales facilities that they have there, voted in this law, which says that even if -- even if you are arrested upon a felony arrest, you must give up your dna swab. you must give a swab upon a felony arrest. the people voted that. so what happened was avery gave you the facts of the case. it is on appeal right now. look, defense attorneys argue this all the time, it is an unreasonable search and seizure, i think this is going to d.c., get your tickets now, this will be in the u.s. supreme court. >> u.s. supreme court -- wait until it happens. >> right, right. >> and then i'll consult with you, a

supervisor wiener: ended the fingerprinting and a mug shot? >> i think it is a photograph, not a mug shot. as we read from the code and the regulations, that would still be required. supervisor wiener: you are advocating it remain a lot under local law as well? >> yes. supervisor wiener: thank you. if there are no questions or comments, i would like to invite public comment. supervisor farrell: you mentioned firearms. can you explain to me what your thoughts are on that and how this would relate to it? i believe the genesis behind this legislation is to ease restrictions, onerous restrictions on small businesses that really don't need what seems to be onerous provisions of local ordinances which i fully agree with. but islanders and unintended consequences. can you talk about the firearms issue? >> i couldn't tell you the differences between the state, federal, and local law except that it's my understanding with second-hand dealers that second- hand firearms, it seems to talk more about antique guns that may still fire. second handguns, that

however, he did not submit his fingerprints as required by municipal police code section 3003(b). i called mr. johnson on his personal phone, and his current place of employment at that time, which was nelson's, as well as bay bridge, i talked to his employers, left messages for him on his phone, to submit his fingerprints to complete his application for a tow operator. after numerous requests, mr. johnson did arrive and that took until april to get him to come back in and submit his fingerprints. a criminal history check from the department of justice revealed mr. johnson had two arrests in september of 2007. and he was convicted on those in 2009. these were arrests for 23103(a) of the california vehicle code which is reckless driving and 594b1 which is vandalism. his was specifically to a vehicle, malicious mischief to a vehicle of the municipal police code. i requested a copy of the incident report from mountain view police department, case no. 07003090, and it

you have to be fingerprinted at hall of justice, fill out a significant amount of paper work and pay monthly, just like a large garage. this legislation would do a couple things. first it would dramatically simplify the payment of parking tax for people who are renting out up to five parking spots connected to a residential property. renting out up to five to non-residents. those would no longer have to have equipment, no longer have to post bond, not have to pay fee or fingerprinted. would simply have to fill out a very simple paper work, then pipe less frequently than monthly. right now we have three months in the legislation. i will be offering an amendment today to make it an annual payment. so it will be a dramatically easier process to be able to pay the parking tax. in addition because there are so many people who do not know they were supposed to pay and have been renting out a sitting amount of time we want to give people an incentive to come forward and pay the tax. this provides partial amnesty where people can come forward and sign up. they will have to pay no more than t

what that means is you have to get fingerprinted, you have to have a background check, you have to buy an expensive revenue control device, you have to get bonded, you have to pay a yearly fee, which can frequently exceed the amount of tax you owe, and you have to pay all taxes collected on a monthly basis. this legislation aims to simplify this process for smaller property owners, >> president chiu: good these classes are for folks to actually learn the rules of the road in san francisco. we ride on real street, on felt street, oak street, and paige street, and see how it feels to ride with other people. we talk about the public health department and the police department and our safe routes to school. we're reaching hundreds of kids each year. these are public schools that have been selected throughout the city. we're reaching kindergarten, first, second, and fourth with the safe walking and biking. and we participate in bike to school day in the spring. and walk to school is in october. hopefully a lot of you will come out and partner in that. sellita mentioned we partner in the "li

through trial and error, he devised a technique to make permanent molds of the fingerprints.from these he began to construct a sample. finally, an intriguing discovery -- direct evidence that one set of workers was being replaced by another. barbour: it appears that the early handmade figurines were made by females. after the establishment of apartment compounds in teotihuacan about 250 a.d., you get a shift to wider ridges on the late handmade figurines and the early moldmade figurines. so it appears that when you have the development of the apartment compound that males come into the industry. keach: so as the city grew, the figurine industry changed. initially worked by women, probably as part of their domestic duties, it became a separate full-time specialization performed by men. with men moving into industry and doing less farm work, how would the city be able to feed itself ? in copan, everybody farmed except the elite and their artisans. part of the answer is found in an elaborate system of irrigation, canals that helped the city produce a large agricultural surplus.

contains the fingerprints of thirty three million people who have simply applied for civil licenses now that that's just one piece of the non-criminal data that will be in the system another piece will be any federal employee who's ever gotten a background check so this is you know potentially millions of people who have never even been accused of any crime let. the many tens of millions of people who have been arrested for crimes without having been convicted of any crime and as you say you know one of the major problems with the f.b.i. is next generation identification is that they're aiming to use this bio metric and just for listeners who aren't for your viewers who aren't aware what the term means biometric simply means an identifier that's unique to an individual so our iris our irises their biometrics actually our palm prints our voices things sort of as bizarre as our parents our biometric also our vascular systems like the pattern of beans in our hands our gate our odor so they're you know and the f.b.i. and federal government and the military are looking into developing mechan

what that means is you have to get fingerprinted, you have to have a background check, you have to buyn expensive revenue control device, you have to get bonded, you have to pay a yearly fee, which can frequently exceed the amount of tax you owe, and you have to pay all taxes collected on a monthly basis. this legislation aims to simplify this process for smaller property owners, those who rent out no more than five parking spots. now, many, many small property owners also have no idea that they even owe this tax. so this legislation will dramatically simplify the payment of parking taxes by people who are renting no more than five parking spots associated with the residential property. by doing that, it will allow more people to come forward and pay. it will increase revenue, particularly for the mta. in addition, because there are so many property owners who have not paid this and had no idea that they were required to pay it, it provides a partial amnesty, whereby from january 1 to june 30 of next year, if a property owner comes forward, pays up to two years worth of back taxes, wit

however, we found hundreds of thousands of instances where the same fingerprint was recorded in u.s. visits database, with sometimes as many as 14 different names and dates of birth. the vast majority of this faulty data is attributable to data entry errors. however, u.s. visit officials were unable to quantify how many of those inconsistencies came from -- those purposely preventing -- presenting fraudulent information at the border. individuals with derogatory information, such as criminal aliens, supplied different by graphic information to officers in an attempt to enter the united states. these individuals were not fled to in the database. u.s. visit concurred with our recommendations to improve procedures to target, identify fraud. another pillar and the fight against terrorism is tsa secure flight program. to this program, they assume commercial operators the matching of passenger names against the watch list. the information matches closely enough against the watch list record, the tsa analyst must complete a manual review of the passenger's record. unless the matter is resol

we found your fingerprints all over his body.ntion, nathan madden, was he a short man? (laughs softly) i remember him-- not a good fighter. and you're right, there was a lot of blood. i tried to help him when he fell. (gasping breaths) you'll be okay. you're all right. you'll be okay. (coughing, gasping) stay with me. help is on the way. you helped him into a dumpster after you beat him to death. but you know what? cassandra gray saw you. you mean andrew's girlfriend, yeah. you know, she's had some problems in the past. not a reliable witness. is there someone else who can corroborate this story? caine: ivan, if you didn't kill nathan, who did? you remember the man fighting this afternoon? mm-hmm. jason weller? (grunting, yelling) i'll talk to him, make sure he turns himself in. and why would he do that, ivan? he trusts me, lieutenant. weller just got carried away; he's a good kid. who would follow your every command, including confessing to murder. whether you like it or not, jason weller's testimony will exonerate me. is that t

to be fingerprinted too.hat meant that even if you were a native-born american woman with no connection at all. you had married one of these guys, you had to be fingerprinted. it's a climate of suspicious of fear, great tension and i should say before i move on from that briefly, to the museum -- in to again, we don't have the nazis excuse me the kaiser fight anymore. the war is over. but there's a russian revolution. you've had radicals take over in russia. the communists and one of the u.s. army intelligence officers stationed in new york city during world war i a guy named john b trevor who spent the war tracing german spies and sabotages and so forth. decidings belie 12919 the next threat of the jews of the lower east side after all communism is a jewish plot he decided he gets the defense department to send him in washington to send him a springfield rifles to new york just in case they expose a revolution. it doesn't but the punchline to the story is that trevor in 1924, along with madison grant, anothe

the state argued that the swab is like a fingerprint, and not invasive in anyway. but one judge did not agree to that. >> it is information obtained by the state when it develops a dna profile versus when it collects a fingerprint. >> now when i am arrested leaving behind in the custody of the government the intimate details of my medical condition, my heritage. >> lawyers from both sides feel the case will ultimately go to the u.s. supreme court. >>> a few hours ago the incident with the pepper spray that made news, they do not plan to file criminal charges against uc davis police officers who doused students with pepper spray during an occupy protest last november. the yolo county district attorney's office says there was insufficient evidence to prove the use of force was illegal. a los angeles judge ruled today that california's ban on flaw graw is to remain in place. they say the law banning the pours feeding of ducks and geese to enlarge their livers is too vague and interferes with interstate commerce. a series of abc7 news i-team investigations lead to the

the state argued that the swab is like a fingerprint, and not invasive in anyway. but one judge did not agree to that. >> it is information obtained by the state when it develops a dna profile versus when it collects a fingerprint. >> now when i am arrested leaving behind in the custody of the government the intimate details of my medical condition, my heritage. >> lawyers from both sides feel the case will ultimately go to the u.s. supreme court. >>> a few hours ago the incident with the pepper spray that made news, they do not plan to file criminal charges against uc davis police officers who doused students with pepper spray during an occupy protest last november. the yolo county district attorney's office says there was insufficient evidence to prove the use of force was illegal. a los angeles judge ruled today that california's ban on flaw graw is to remain in place. they say the law banning the pours feeding of ducks and geese to enlarge their livers is too vague and interferes with interstate commerce. a series of abc7 news i-team investigations lead to the

the state argued that the swab is like a fingerprint, and not invasive in anyway.udge did not agree to that. >> it is information obtained by the state when it develops a dna profile versus when it collects a fingerprint. >> now when i am arrested leaving behind in the custody of the government the intimate details of my medical condition, my heritage. >> lawyers from both sides feel the case will ultimately go to the u.s. supreme court. >>> a few hours ago the incident with the pepper spray that made news, they do not plan to file criminal charges against uc davis police officers who doused students with pepper spray during an occupy protest last november. the yolo county district attorney's office says there was insufficient evidence to prove the use of force was illegal. a los angeles judge ruled today that california's ban on flaw graw is to remain in place. they say the law banning the pours feeding of ducks and geese to enlarge is too vague and interferes with interstate commerce. a series of abc7 news i-team investigations lead to the ban that went into affe

however, he did not submit his fingerprints as required by municipal police code section 3003(b). i called mr. johnson on his personal phone, and his current place of employment at that time, which was nelson's, as well as bay bridge, i talked to his employers, left messages for him on his phone, to submit his fingerprints to complete his application for a tow operator. after numerous requests, mr. johnson did arrive and that took until april to get him to come back in and submit his

is it any different than fingerprinting?t's the question. >> that was going to be my next question. how is this any different from fingerprinting? you may be subjected to giving up your fingerprint before you are charge and the same is being asked here, giving up a swab before you are charged. >> that was one of the arguments made in the court of appeals and the judges completely rejected that argument, fred. but, listen, in 2004, the interesting people in the great state of california, many of whom participate in those legal marijuana sales facilities that they have there voted in this law which says that even if you are arrested upon a felony arrest, you must give up your dna swab. you must give a swab upon a felony arrest. the people vote that had. so what happened was, avery gave you the facts of the case, it's on appeal right now. defense attorneys argue this all the time. unreasonable search and seizure. you're protected by the fourth amendment. i think this is going to d.c. get your tickets now. this will be in the su

just like these documents-- no fingerprints.ord to lose my job. >> later, kuo left the u.s. for beijing. but while he waited for his flight, federal agents got into his bags, photocopied his handwritten notes, and put them back. kuo's notes matched the secret document on the right. but john slattery, who oversaw the case for the fbi, told us the bureau didn't make arrests until six months later. but, i mean, this is drop-dead evidence. an espionage is occurring. why didn't you arrest them sooner than that? >> well, these investigations are tremendously complex and tremendously difficult to begin with. >> the department of defense wants you to stop it right away. >> please, sooner than later, but the fbi says, "well, listen, we want to make sure we can sustain a conviction here. and are there other players in this?" >> it turns out there were other players. kuo had another source inside the pentagon, and kuo was connected to spies on the west coast who were giving up u.s. space and naval technology. presumably, the u.s. is doing

i mean, looking back at things like fingerprints and other tool marks and other sciences, for ensick sciences that came into court and now have been debunked, isn't there a risk, a huge risk? >> there is. i wish that more lawyers knew statistics and research methods. unfortunately, if you're really good in math, you don't necessarily go to law school. but if you're really good in political science or history, you might go to law school and you haven't taken math for a very long time. i think the reality is that the courts have to get up to speed. that was really the lessson of the daubert case and kelly frye as well, the lawyers, judges, the system more generally has to be able to evaluate the validity of proper expert testimony. we can't get around it. it's in the courtroom. the problem with latent fingerprints and firearms and handwriting and arson investigation and the list goes on and on as you know better than i, the problem is those were never actually evaluated. the court simply grandfathered it in or never even bothered to look at it. i can assure you that the forensic scienc

is the same information obtained by the state when it develops profile versus when it collects fingerprints. >> the deputy attorney general says it's a search, but several judges appear not to buy that oop i wind up now leaving behind in the custody of the government the details of when medical condition, my parodies. >> the aclu was encouraged by the judge's question. >> surprised i didn't have speeches that i had prepared. >> he knows this case is a candidate for consideration by the u.s. supreme court. since a san francisco district attorney judge decided the original case if this goes to the consumer report, his brother will recuse himself. and one judge asked are you sure? you want this to be the case that goes to the supreme court? he said yes. it's a good one to decide. the 9th circuit court is recognizing this landmark may tour of the case by agreeing to hear it a second time with an 11 swruj panel and noted a rare exception to the usual rule, our cameras allowed inside. >> this is remarkable, thank you very much. police looking for a person who led them on a chase tonight and a dri

fingerprint database seem like a prehistoric relic now this is some use existing mug shots and then matches them with faces in crowd shots along with social networking sites to create a whole new database of images which according to the f.b.i. will help to find criminals and terrorists well now it's official the program has been tested in michigan has been given the green light for pilot runs in places like florida and north carolina two states which not coincidentally just hosted the major political conventions and also here in washington d.c. and by twenty fourteen this program will be nationwide so i do want to talk more about this with barrett brown founder of project p.n. barrett before we get started i do want to talk about something else that's happening right now a whole lot of chatter specifically about anonymous going after and shutting down the biggest domain server on the internet go daddy go daddy host up to fifty million clients and there's been some back and forth within anonymous as to who is responsible but with some taking responsibility within the movement any id