you don't have to be a jamma for to get cold sweats when you see one of these but a supermarket in finland has a simple solution handles that don't require hands. and is repeated in my ear but you're right. this is a good invention very good health food i think everybody likes you know. the not everybody has got the hang of the new hands hand. with contact sophos is believed to be a transmitting point for the corona virus the idea was one company's way of helping out in the crisis they started to brainstorm how could we contribute to solving told in this crisis so then it then we came up with the idea to come up with the sat this is product a handle and then selected 3 d. printing for a for a method of making. the handles are being trialled in just one supermarket but depending on customer feedback they could spread to others. and that's it for me and the business team here in berlin you can of course find out about more about these and other stories online at the dot com such business to check us out on facebook and twitter i'm stephen there's a blend as always thanks for watching. the fo

we went through finland because there aren't that many flights, so we went through finland. finland was a very different approach. finland, lots and lots of people were wearing masks. the airport was quite empty. it was quite a surreal experience going through that country. and then when we landed in sweden, it was almost like going back in time four or five months because the situation was quite normal. you're able to hail a taxi, people are out, the -- it's not just bars and restaurants that are allowed to open. everything is open, pretty much. art galleries, clothing stores, shoe stores, everything. >> what a difference for you that must be. richard engle live for us in stockholm, thanks so much. >>> still ahead, what the white house pandemic coordinator is saying about how long americans will need to maintain social distancing. your first look at "morning joe" is back in a moment. (pirate girl) ahoy!!!!! (excited squeal, giggling/panting) gotcha! (man) ah! (girl) nooooooooooooo! (man) nooooo! (girl) nooooo... (vo) quick, the quicker picker upper! bounty picks up messes q

one day lynn and the prime minister of finland sanomat in about continuing efforts across europe to fight the pandemic and support lives and livelihoods the commitment from bowser leaders president van de lame and pres prime minister of finland martin is very very heartwarming again i would like to clarify doubly just position on wait my tickets with my tickets as you know i don't import and sort of soften affordable food and livelihood for millions of people all over the world but in many places they have been poorly regulated and poorly maintained that religious position is that when these markets are allowed to reopen it should only be on the condition that they conform to stream gente food safety and hygiene standards governments must rieger as early in 4 response on the sale and trade of wildlife for food. deadly joe has would causally with the world organization for any hell and the food and agriculture organization file of the united nations to develop guidance on the safe operation of markets because an estimated 70 percent of all new viruses come from and he mouths we also world

and denmark which also imposed lockdowns their economies will shrink by 6 percent and finland add 6 a half percent and so back to your question brad it does not appear that sweden is actually doing any better r t correspondent saya tab hunter thank you for keeping us up to date. and as a reminder you can always find the latest news and information regarding the crowd of our son portable t.v.'s coronavirus tracker time now for a quick break but hang here because when we return we have discussed the impact of the pandemic on different sectors but our sports very limits of the world of ours will take a deep dive into the subject and as we go to break are the numbers at the close. you. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy. let it be an arms race off and spearing dramatic development only loosely i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very. time to sit down and talk. seemed wrong. rules just don't call. me you get to shape out these days become educated and engaged with equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apa

finland.sed strict lockdownslj think is too early, also, to say is lockdown good or bad. because many countries are now having a discussion within the political sector, but also in the whole society, should we lift the restrictions, in what way, what will happen? that is not the debate in sweden. and it's not something the government is preparing for. we're not lifting any restrictions the moment. if lockdown is a treatment that is being trialled globally, then sweden is the control group. this is not about going out and getting your hair done or meeting your mates down the pub. this is about whether the course the rest of the world is ona course the rest of the world is on a sustainable or even beneficial in the long—term.” don't think we will have more. come back in one year and i think we will have the same proportion of deaths. this is a hunch? it's likely. it will be sometime before we find whether this hunch is proved right. for now it does feel like a big gamble. here in the uk, more th

denmark, finland, and norway. brent: question for you. do you wear a face mask when you go outside? more german states are making face coverings compulsory for public activities and the demand for masks is soaring. many companies, both big and small, are now producing fabric face masks, ones you can wash and reuse everyday. >> repurposing skills for shifting demand. this children's clothing shop in berlin has switched fashion for face masks. and it is proving good for business, as more german states make face coverings mandatory. the orders have been flooding in. >> at the moment, it is our core business. and i assume we will keep producing masks for a while. we have prepared for that by ordering more materials and a wide range of fabrics. >> as well as private households, the shop now supplies physiotherapists, traders, and some medical staff such as midwives. but this small enterprise is struggling to keep up with demand. >> we currently have a delivery time of 20 working days, which is of course quite long. so we are trying to find individual solutions. >> and sales show no sign

i think the 5g launch in norway and finland is mainly focusing on the access to the homes that 5g isgood instrument to bring services to the home and connecting the homes to internet. that is the focus for this year, not so much on the consumer side if the iphone with 5g capability is coming later, i don't think that will hit our business in the nordics this year. in asia, there are months of quarter to go before 5g will have any affect at all >> thank you for being with us thank you for joining us >>> swiss industrial giant abb in focus this morning. it has warned of a sharp drop of demand in the second quarter saying it expects operations to be, quote, significantly challenged orders sank and net income fell to 30% beating expectations. speaking to cnbc, abb ceo gave his take on the ordero outlook >> caller: the comparable numbers are up compared to last year i would say this is mainly driven by large orders which have come in seen good recovery in the chinese market in march and keeping on up to april some what better going into q 2 will be a better story as others have locked dow

the country's ranking highest for press freedom remain in scandinavia denmark finland and norway . denmark has become the 1st year pin country to reopen its schools children up to the age of 12 returning to the classroom they are required to follow strict hygiene and social distancing rules and the world is watching denmark closely could it be a model for taking pupils out of the locked out for about a week now thomas back has once again been bringing his 7 year old daughter to school here in copenhagen things are getting back to normal but you know august my daughter actually wanted to go to school last saturday she was so happy to see her friends again and to be in class but it was no there are only 7 children in her group yes you know we were evacuated. that's so the children can keep a 2 meter distance from one another in the classroom they used to be 20 students in the class but now there are only 9 at most so we see here the schools are not in store for you know our school which is quite big compared with all those cars and a market for we can see that we need a lot more spac

corona bonds but that idea was vetoed by wealthier countries such as germany the netherlands and finland. earlier i spoke to brussels correspondent diogu motus and he gave us more details on the deal. right this rescue plan basically consists of 3 safety nets 1st of all there is the money that comes from the european bailout fund the so-called european stability mechanism some 240 of 1000000000 euros secondly there is the european investment bank that will hand out loans to small and medium sized companies worth some $200000000000.00 euros and finally there is a short time work scheme from the european commission worth $100000000000.00 euros so in total we're looking at over half a trillion euros and that is why the head of the euro group mario sent a note today and wanted to clarify when he was asked why this has taken so long seeing that the meeting was delayed and it took a couple of days until they made this decision that is exactly why it took so long it is a big big commitment he said it is unprecedented and he also clarified that it is bold ambitious and it was unthinkable just a

euro bonds or bonds of they've been called wealthier northern states such as germany netherlands and finland are opposed to the idea after marathon talks failed and choose day night the pressure is now on e.u. finance ministers to strike a deal on thursday. spain versus the netherlands. rome verse berlin. the german government believes existing tools are not to protect the block from economic collapse. they include using hundreds of billions of euros in bailout funds parked in what's known as the european stability mechanism to shore up struggling member states and a 200000000000 credit line at the european investment bank for struggling small and medium sized companies among the countries backing berlin's position in the netherlands. we've come far but we're not quite done either. we are of course talking to each other about what provisions europe should make what things we can do together to ensure that we get through this crisis as best we can. but the measures don't go far enough for countries like spain and italy which have been hardest hit by the pandemic and are least able to afford i

less freedom for mine in scandinavia denmark finland i'm no way. out of portal so short of the philippines has dropped 2 places to $136.00 out of $150.00 countries and someone who knows what that means is journalist and author mario who's had several run ins with the government he joins me now from manila maria have a good to have you on the program what is it like being a journalist in the philippines now. i think the 1st thing is that the world seems like it's never going to be the same again where it are 6 weeks of lockdown and their. president to take aside an emergency powers laud march 24th that gives them tremendous power work including an insertion that essentially could allow with swords to jail or anyone for a month or 2 months and find them about 20000 dollars i mean you're somebody who has experience with this don't you i mean that i've lost on i think you have what 7 cases and if that's a correct count against you from the philippine government i mean are you afraid that the philippines government is using the coronavirus crisis to gai

the country's ranking highest for press freedom remain in scandinavia denmark finland and norway . or joining me tonight is on the bill she's a mexican journalist and author she's known for her investigative journalism into mexican drug trafficking and into. the alleged collusion between government officials and drug lords on the bill it's good to see you again you have received death threats and you had to leave mexico for your own safety do you know what's behind these threats yes was the mexican government in particularly our decline man cold connecticut c l u a now that we asked this chief of the police in mexico and now for tonight that he seen jail he was arrested last year and see him getting it you're. working with this now. your home country mexico remains latin america's most dangerous country for journalists why is president on the base manuel lopez obrador his government on able to break the cycle of violence and impunity in mexico. i think it says many reasons but i well i will tell you 31 is because no one cares about journalists in may he did throwing that oh i even

corona bots but the idea was resisted by richard northern states including germany the netherlands and finland. a foreign backed regard who is following the story for us from brussels about tell us what exactly is in the steel . there was a big sigh of relief in all 27 capitals of the european union the finance ministers in the euro group struck this deal late in the night after 2 days of fia's negotiations of bargaining and bickering and. sent a no the part of his finance minister the head of the euro group said these are bowed and bishes decisions we made it and all of shows the german finance minister said this is a great day for sort of derry t. and it's also a great day for their european union because the union can act so in the deal itself contains 3 components firstly there is a loan guarantee by the european investment bank in luxembourg 200000000000 euros for small sized and medium sized companies the secondly there is a new unemployment scheme to finance unemployment benefits in poorer member states worth 100000000000 euros by the e.u. commission made available by that you commissio

corona bonds a new type of public debt instrument backed by the euro zone so far germany austria finland and the netherlands strongly oppose the idea but financial experts going to involve tells me the positions on mutual i's debt have been softening so this should not be seen as a backdoor entrance for a fiscal union because if it is that i think it would be not acceptable to the north of europe i mean the north of europe does not want a permanent transfer union to be created so it needs to be in a sense temporary and targeted to the coronavirus cost but if that is achieved i think joint issuance should be feasible french finance minister lemaire already floated the idea for a common fund and dutch prime minister of also has a plan $1.00 offering grants to those in need rather than unload plenty of material for an outside the box solution whatever is agreed by the finance ministers goes to e.u. leaders for another video conference later in the month arliss full in our ego responded to file that report as he joins me now from brussels meeting to you again org these finance ministers they

the country's ranking highest for press freedom remain in scandinavia denmark finland and norway . little for sport now in football spanish side barcelona will sell the naming rights to its stadium for the 1st time in its history to raise money for the fight against corona virus also known as camp is one of the most iconic stadiums of all football and has held its name since opening in 1957. charitable foundation will be tossed out finding a sponsor for the stadium spain has been one of the worst affected countries by the pandemic. this is. when you're up to date a quick reminder that you can get news and features of around the clock that's on our website www dot com and on our app we're on twitter at the news from myself and the scene of the topics. combating the corona pandemic. where does research stand. what are scientists learning. background information and. our corona. special and next on do you w.

its democracies talk about that i'm joined now by alexander stubb he's the former prime minister of finland in may he's due to take over as director of the school of transnational governance in italy it's good to have you on the show mr worried are you that the steps being taken now to stop this pandemic will become permanent limits on our democracies here in europe. well i'm not excessively worried but i do keep an eye on what's going on because i've been of the day it's essentially a balance between control and freedom and the european union obviously and our member states were based on a set of values freedom. democracy rule of lol and once you start impinging on those i think you're in the danger zone so i would do you know wave or yellow flag of hungary but the rest i think i'd still stay pretty call what you say the danger zone isn't that exactly where hungary is right now and just a few days ago the prime minister you know he managed to get parliament to give him the power to rule by decree there is no emergency that would justify that but he still got that power and the european uni

the country's ranking highest for press freedom remain in scandinavia denmark finland and norway . are some sports news now we're going to go to italy one of the countries hardest hit by the pandemic for the story of 2 young tennis players they were challenged by their coach to find a way to stay in shape during the lockdown or they hit the roof tops i mean they really hit the roof tops their efforts have now gone viral take a look. on one side of the street 11 year old kerala is itching to go. on the other side 13 year old victoria is getting there working her way to the rooftop of her apartment building. once there a pause it's raining. carroll has been hitting the ball on her indoor court she is ready. and now so is victoria serious social distancing but stay clear of the camera guy for another day and walk down another rooftop to rooftop practice to get my thoughts since then it's playing tennis so much carolyn my neighbor my close friend and my classmate we decided to try to play from one building to another i think i. was. i never thought we'd manage to play it but it is so m

the country's ranking highest for press freedom remain in scandinavia denmark finland and norway . in football spanish side also know will sell the naming rights to its stadium for the 1st time in its history to raise money for the fight against corona virus also known as camp is one of the most iconic stadiums of all football and has held its name since opening in 1957 a club's charitable foundation will be tossed with finding a sponsor for the stadium spain has been one of the worst affected countries by the pen demick. and a reminder of the top story we're following for you the 7 german state of the bay area has cancelled the october face of the earth faced of all over the current virus event attracts more than 6000000 visitors every year old boys she say is the response on tejan is too high. this is the derby and here is a quick reminder that you can get news and features around the clock on our website at all brought to twitter at the daily news i'm christine one but it's been great having your company see an extract. for you there i'm david. corn amateur. hour printers in 3 b

deaths here are three times higher than in mark and times neighboring finland those countries have opposedict lockdowns. it's too early to say if lockdown is good o bad. many countries arein ha discussion in the political sector and the whole society. that is not up for debate in sweden or something the government is preparing for. d> if lockdown is a treatment ll gloy in sweden is the control group. it's not about meeting your mates at the pub it's about if the course the rest of the world is e on is sustainable n beneficial. >> ce back in a year and we will have the same proportional deaths. >> is this a hunch? >> it's just likely. >> we wl know if this hunch proves out. for now it feels like a gamble. anchor:ht it's friday nn the u.k. a time when not long ldo the pubs wave been packed but with the lockdown in place some are forced to adapt to the times others have had to pour out there pre heights as we report. >>re tre gallons of lovingly brewed here going to waste these have been disposed of as the hymn played as the titanic sank. >> we have a sler full of here will be out of date a l

denmark, norway and finland, things are not quiuite so good r sweden. wass go back to that toll i telling about, 233 people dying per million in sweden. if you look at denmark, that is only 75 people. dedenmark has been under lockdon sincnce the 11th o of march. 3838 is the figugure in norway d 36 in vineland.d. that is up to three to four times more peoeople dying per millllion in swedenn thanther scandidinavian c countries. on that numbmber you can say sweden's decision was not the right thing to do. one other thing which is very important to note is that the swedish are saying that there decisision will make p people -- decision will make people more e resilient to the .idisease and boost herd immuniy people w who have been infected with coronavavirus for put up a barrieier to prevent more infections from happening at the question is what will the final death toll be in sweden when they arrive at that? that is something we don't know the answer to. we will have to see. >> time will tell. we will see what happens. -- has died in the city of mumbai. th

meanwhile, finland h has extendd its anti-covid-19 measures by a month to may 13.estaurants remain enclosed -- remain closed for longer. measuresking toto extend designed at limiting the spread of the virus. parliament is s preparing to voe on the state of emergency until april 26. spain has reported 152,000 cases so far and over 15,000 deaths. the daily told going down today after two o days ago and up aga. joining me from madrid, our correspondent, sarah morris. what is going on in parliament? ministeranish p prime has clinched the support he neneeds to extend thatt state. political parties have said they will back him, particularly the conservative's people's party and citizizen's party. theyey have been critical. he said the government needed to do more to help companies and self-employed people who have been affected by the economic fallout from this. he has appealed for unity and loyalty. he said spain acted too late but said the whole of europe acted too late. he said spain was the first ununtry the west to introduce locked on measures. he said d they have b

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austria, finland, and denmark have begun a tentative path to normality. at eu headquarters, the commission president wants the european union to set the pace. she warns in the borderless member area, the piecemeal strategy will undermine mundane tasks. peopleo not want to have moving from one member state to the next to use this opportunity. it is important that the coordination between neighboring an excellent is one. good neighbors speak with each other. >> in spain, the number of new deaths fell on sunday. the country still has one of the toughest lockdowns in the eu. in the first parliamentary session singed -- since controls were imposed, there was a debate about exit strategy. >> 47 million spaniards have been confined with no hope other than two more weeks of lockdown because you are incapable of carrying out a plan four masked testing. -- mass testing. >> the confinement measures are working because we began with a daily infection rate of 35%. today we are at 3%. that is a consequence of increasing the number of kits. measures are saving lives and

. >>> in finland one supermarket is relying on one technology to keep shoppers safe.reated a new hands free way to open refrigerator doors. instead it uses a handle that people can use with their arm. each handle is 3d printed from recycled plastic. it cuts down on touching, which is important now because the coronavirus can live on a surface for days. >> they started to brainstorm how could we contribute solving this crisis? so then we came up with the idea to come up with this product of handle. >> this is a good infection, very good, helpful. i think everybody likes this, you know. >>> well, some hospitals in europe are also using similar handles or hooks to make their doors hands free. >>> i'm john raymos and colleges are in a worldover hurt to plan for next year when they have no idea how many students will be attending. i will havids requiro wear masks, but not everyone is complying. what bart is doing to stop people from bending the rules. >>> and staying afloat in a . >>> you are watching kpix 5 news. >>> right now streaming on cbsn bay area, the coronavirus p

in finland it is causing friction. the youngest prime minister is in the world there has declared that adding to doctors, food suppliers and grocery workers, essential staff in the pharmaceutical industry and energy sectors, add to that, social media influencers. the government there has said these people are key to getting the message out to young people in the country and elsewhere, about washing your hands and face masks. it's about being up—to—date with modern targeting and understanding what is spreading the word. so social media influencers in finland are classed as key workers now. fascinating to hear about those there are elements from gavin lee in brussels. —— make those developments. charities have warned that they're running out of money. their shops are closed, fundraising events are cancelled and donations are down. the head of stjohn ambulance says they'll be out of money by august if they don't get help from the government — and the national council for voluntary organisations has estimated that the coro

germany is lagging behind when it comes to digitalisation while more than 90 percent of people in finland denmark the netherlands and sweden use online banking services just 55 percent of germans do below the e.u. average. that's amazing considering how many brick and mortar bank branches have closed down in germany well to each their own in many parts of asia people have a very different attitude towards the internet thais spend a huge amount of time online every day do they worry their data could be used against them what renie. was was 1000 friends on my facebook had him on that lot though mike and his book were really love facebook because everybody. was on them i post photos of my girlfriend and my dog. because in the facebook evolution worth of buddhist teaching. i had a chance 1000 facebook friends thought. at least i am on an island and not. eagerly at a social media event that. bangkok has more facebook profiles than inhabitants thais spend more time on the internet than any other people in the world an average of 9 hours and 38 minutes every day. few seem to be concerned about p

researchers in finland are showing us why. check this out.hey made a model illustrating how far and how long airborne particles remain in the air after someone coughs or sneezes inside a grocery store. you can see a large cloud of particles fill the air from the aisle on the right to the middle and then to the left. and the other shelves. the particles remain airborne for at least six minutes. it's more evidence that you should wear a mask or face covering the next time you head to the store. >>> thanking people who are keeping things clean, governor newsom honoring custodians. that's next. everyone is working a little differently now. so we can still answer your calls. and we are monitoring our system 24/7 to ensure that we have a fast reliable network, keep the customers connected, and making sure people are staying safe. and we're still on the road. solving critical issues as they arise. ♪ go to xfinity.com/prepare. thank you. whaso let's do the rightver chanthing, today.ow. let's stay at home. let's wash up. let's always keep our distance

so far, austria, finland and the netherlands opposed the idea.inancial expert tells me the sitions onon mutual eyes to o tt have been -- on mutualizezed det haveve been softening. >> they s should not be seen asa backdodoor entrance t to a fiscl union. it would not b be acceptable to the north of europope. the north h of europope is not t a permanenent transfer union toe created. it needsds to be temporary and targeted towards thehe coronavis cost. if that is achieved, joint debt issuance should be feasiblble. >> the french finance minister already floated the idea for a common e.u. . fund and the dutch prime minister also has a plan, one offering grants to those in need rather than a a loan.. plenty of material forr an outside the box solution. whatatever is agreed with the finance ministers goes to e.u. leaders for another video conference later in the month. brent: let's pull an hour e.u. correspondent who filed the report -- pull in our correspondent who filed the report. have to find common ground. this is an unprecedented crisis. where are

this was our layover in finland. >> this is the new normal. creepy. >> reporter: in stockholm we landed in what felt like an earlier time sweden is adopting a very different approach to battling the virus, stores open, restaurants and bars open. schools open people are advised not required to avoid contact the policy is the brain child of dr. anders tegnell >> is this some sort of ticking time bomb that is going to blow up >> no, we don't think so we realize that this virus is not going to go away we need to deal with it in a sustainable way and you can't keep schools closed so far sweden has seen over 2,000 deaths and polls suggest the softer policies are popular here. >> businesses and things has to keep running other ooiz we have nothing when we come after this >> herd immunity, protecting the elderly and sick who do face lockdowns and testing while leaving everyone else more or less alone so they catch the virus and are in theory better defended against it later. >> thanks for that report and to pay homage to sweden's handling of the coron

take the next crucial step and go for full mutual is ion.n -- mutualizat countries like austria, finlandany, might not be ready. that is a indication the scope for disappointment on the side of italy and spain, is a political ramifications that follows from this. with that in mind, you say as a neutral observer, what is your take on the german stance? angela merkel same that -- saying the eu faces its biggest challenge. the answer can only be stronger europe. is there any sense she is laying the foundation for some level of debt sharing, or is that a step too far? >> this might still be a step too far. what germany and the netherlands might be agreeing to his financial support from the european stability mechanism with essentially no conditions attached. something they would never have done in the past. regard, without effective conditionality, germany and the netherlands and finland, austria, will probably move. they will define it as a major concession. the problem is this might not be seen as enough from the point of view of others. matt: it seems to me the current plan is stop all bu