i wonder, is finlandization even an option anymore for finland, let alone ukraine? >> absolutely not. let me explain the whole term is really horrible for finland in the sense that for us, it meant that we were not able to express our free will of joining western institutions during the cold war because we always had the 1,340 kilometers of border with russia. and on top of that, russia meddled with our internal politics so in many ways to use the whole term of finlandization which grew from a german professor in the 1960s, is an insult. and my answer to everyone who says should ukraine be finlandized, absolutely not. ukraine should be europeanized. >> so just to be clear, if you were still prime minister of finland, would you be pushing for nato membership for your country right now? >> well, when i left politics after eight years in government in 2016, i took a decision not to give advice to the people who came after me, because the job in and of itself is too difficult. but i have made it no secret throughout my career that i have been an advocate of finnish nato

finland is promising similar moves.obviously on the front line in some ways of what is happening here. sweden obviously joining the alliance. we are watching whether finland and sweden will join the alliance, norway already effectively the northern flank of nato. joining us now from washington, finland's ambassador to the united states. thank you for your time. in terms of the finished government position -- finish government, it is providing weapons to ukrainian forces and antitank weapons. is there a bigger shift taking place in terms of finland's position? nato membership has been talked about. given what is happening on the ground, how big a discussion is taking place in finland about the opportunity to shift foreign policy toward nato? >> it is clear that a russian attack is a violation of international law. that is why it is only natural that finland helps ukraine defend its own independence. that is the reason but -- behind the material aid. the situation was for recent developments. there was no real active deba

thank you. >> finland and sweden are very close art nurse. -- finland and sweden are very close partners. even they -- though they do not apply for a membership now, they strongly believe that the nato will not form any type of agreement with russia, based on what russia has proposed to us to sign a legally bound agreement on any enlargement of nato in the future. i think that the sweden and the finland them, it is a question of self-determination. then potentially in the future, also to apply for nato membership. for me, the very clear message from finland and sweden is how important it is for nato allies do not compromise on core values, including the rights of every nation to choose its on path. whether it belongs to nato, or not belong to nato. nato respects those decisions, regardless if it is a yes or no late joining nato. -- no in joining nato. we value close relationships with finland and sweden. we see how closely we work together and increase our ability to operate together in probability and also close political consultations. therefore, i have invited sweden and finland to th

we value close relationships with finland and sweden. we see how closely we work together and increase our ability to operate together in profitability and also close political consultations. therefore, i have invited sweden and finland to the russian -- nato summit tomorrow, the nato summit tomorrow. so at the nato summit, we will have sweden, finland, and the presidents present showing they are very strong unity. >> we we will go to radio. >> if i may, follow a question. when exactly these high regiment sentiments of the nato response force may be deployed? is it after the summit for tomorrow? >> first of all, we have already deployed thousands of troops. two poland there are more u.s. forces, there are forces from the united kingdom, there also nations deploying more forces to poland. and also to other countries in the eastern part of the alliance. warships in the baltic sea. and more lanes protecting our airspace. there will be more forces in the east. then that should include elements of the nato response force, but the most importa

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with our close partners, finland, sweden, and the european union. russia has shattered peace on the european continent. what we have warned against for months has come to pass. despite all our efforts to find a diplomatic solution. there is a small possibility of the deliberate, cold-blooded, and long-planned invasion. we condemn russia's aggressions in the strongest possible terms. i call on russia to immediately seize its military -- cease its military action. we stand with the brave people of ukraine. we fully support ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, its right of self-defense, and its right to >> good evening, allied leaders. we just met to address the greatest threat to european security and decades. i invited nato's partners, finland, sweden, and the european union, two our summit, because this crisis affects us all. russia has shattered peace in europe. the people of ukraine are fighting for their freedom in the face of unprovoked invasion. we deplore the tragic loss of lives, enormous human suffering, and destruction. our thou

we value close relationships with finland and sweden. it is important for nato and important for finland and sweden. we work with the north atlantic council and we see how closely we work together and increase our ability to operate together in probability and also close political consultations. therefore, i have invited sweden and finland to the virtual summit for nato tomorrow. so at the nato summit tomorrow, we will have sweden, finland, and the eu presidents present showing they are very strong unity. >> we will go to polish radio. >> if i may, a follow-up question two terry's question. when exactly these high regiment elements of the nato response force may be deployed? is it up to the leaders if you have the summit for tomorrow? thank you. >> first of all, we have already deployed thousands of troops. for instance, to poland, there are u.s. forces, there are forces from the united kingdom, there also nations deploying more forces to poland. also, other countries in the eastern part of the alliance. warships in the baltic sea. more

reporter: my question is about finland and sweden. ukraine has made it clear that it wants to join nato and nato has sent you are not ready yet. my question is, if you are going to say no -- do finland and sweden meet the core tier about nato membership? -- the criteria for nato membership? are they democratic enough? do they uphold human rights? mr. price: let me make three points. it is up to finland and sweden to determine for themselves if they wish to join nato or any other alliance. it is our position that nato's door is open to all eligible countries. if the country applies for nato membership, that is a decision for nato. reporter: would the united states support it? mr. price: you yourself just said that neither finland or sweden have indicated that they aspire to join nato. reporter: that is what i tried to coach the question that if they would currently meet the criteria. mr. price: i will let sweden and finland speak for themselves. reporter: the president said it was under consideration yesterday. their reports the u.s. w

finland may be having a referendum on this.nland was trying to maintain a posture of neutrality with russia for decades. this is causing some changes. kristen: speaking of finland, this gets into the airspace question that i hope you can address. i think airlines and can no longer go through russian airspace along with carriers around the world, and of course countries around the world are banning russian air carriers. what does this mean and do to global travel, and why is russian airspace so important? >> it's important to note that this is an evolving situation. we have blocked russian planes from european airspace, europe has put up the barriers. russia is now refusing to amass airplanes from europe and the u.s.. it means planes will probably have to go through asia and other parts of the world that will clearly make travel more difficult. it is not just an airspace issue. they're closing down access to airports as well, which means it may be impossible to travel to certain places in the world. this is an evolving issue. i

given that you are in finland, want _ moment. given that you are in finland, want to _ moment.he finish model. this is in reference to finland's neutrality during the cold war. analysts dismissing this. what is your analysis of this? i dismissing this. what is your analysis of this?— dismissing this. what is your analysis of this? i really cannot advocate for — analysis of this? i really cannot advocate for that _ analysis of this? i really cannot advocate for that annexation of ukraine, finland having over a very large part of our political control of the us are, for example all, what about the government during the gulf war. that model is from the past world, and i wouldn't advocate for it. a, world, and i wouldn't advocate for it. ~ ., ., , world, and i wouldn't advocate for it. a model from the past world. joinin: it. a model from the past world. joining us _ it. a model from the past world. joining us live — it. a model from the past world. joining us live from _ it. a model from the past world. joining us live from finland, - it. a model from the past world. joining us li

finland knows firsthand what it's like to be in ukraine's shoes.get in the beginning of world war ii, russia was actually aligned with nazi germany, which gave joseph stall the green light to annex finland by force in 1939 but the russian invasion known as the winter war was far from the cake walk that was anticipated. to russia's embarrassment, the vastly superior forces were out maneuvered by finland's ski bar bar tall yens. it is understandable why finland may want nato's protection after the chilling prospect putin has ambitions beyond ukraine. and unsurprisingly, russia today threatened finland as well as sweden warning of quote serious military political repercussions if either country tries to join nato. joining me now is nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss, the host of "fireside history "on msnbc's "the choice" and julia, founding partner and washington correspondent for puck news. thank you both for being here. michael, i'll start with you. there is this sense that putin thinks he's rewriting history but he doesn't seem to un

the swedish people and finland people have strong, capable professional militaries.deployed to afghanistan under my command i saw them there in the ball cans on operations in libya. they are a-team militaries typically both sweden and finland have maintained positions of neutrality, but gosh, if i woke up in europe on monday watching missiles reign down on kyiv, i would certainly be thinking hmmm, i'd like get one of those nato membership cards. i think you're going to hear more sword rattling from putin believe me, he's not going to invade finland or sweden he knows better than to try that my guess is there will be real sentiment in those countries to join the alliance. another negative unintended consequence for putin. >> how do you think nato stands as of this week? does the alliance look stronger than ever? >> in my mind, it does and if your worse nightmare, if you're vladimir putin, is a strong unified nato pushing forces to your border, e encouraging top flight nations like sweden and finland to join, if that's your nightmare, you're in the middle of it. i don'

i invited nato's partners, finland, sweden, and the european union, two our summit, because this crisis affects us all. russia has shattered peace in europe. the people of ukraine are fighting for their freedom in the face of unprovoked invasion. we deplore the tragic loss of lives, enormous human suffering, and destruction. our thoughts are with those killed, injured, and displaced. we call on russia to stop this senseless war. immediately seize its assaults, withdraw all of its forces from ukraine, and turn back to the path of dialogue and turn away from aggression. the kremlin's objectives are not limited to ukraine. russia has demanded legally binding agreements to announce further nato enlargements, and to remove troops and infrastructure. we are facing a new normal in european security. russia openly contests the european security order and uses force to pursue its objectives. the world will hold russia and belarus accountable for their actions. russia as the aggressor, belarus as the enabler. president putin's decision to pursue its aggression against ukraine is a terrible strate

and back in the cold war, finland was under pretty st. extreme. m a. there were terms that busy didn't allow finland to move to close to west to a native ore the you, you, although it formerly kept its independence, it was limited in what it could do. and the talk of some kind of similar model for ukraine has caused a lot of fear and anxiety here that there were seeing france breaking away from the kind of western unity we've seen in recent weeks about supporting ukraine's freedom to choose its allies and its path in the future, that would have very serious implications for ukraine. how are people, they're reacting to all of their sir? diplomatic activity? was it? there was an extraordinary disconnect. last few weeks where you had the wills press, talking about these russian tanks, russian soldiers, all ukraine's borders. and being him key of basically it felt like life is normal and people were talking about your new restaurant openings as much they were talking about. the threat of war and i think some slowly, now that is really filtering through the

this is finland. what is going on?tern advanced country so we're always looking to see what's going on around the world in critical legal cases. the statute in finland says if a person expresses an opinion or another message that is deemed to threaten or insult someone that person could face imprisonment for up to two years. it is hard to imagine how in this day in age of twitter and everything else out there how insulting someone could get you two years if jail. whether you agree with this former member of parliament once the interior minister. medical doctor married to pastor and involved if her community and contributing to better it in the best ways she knows how, she is not some fringe element that hasn't been engaged in public life. whether you agree with her and this bishop on their view of the bible and homosexuality you should be worried if a statute could put you in jail for two years for insulting someone. there is a lot more at play than just the bible verses. >> bill: they have freedom of speech in finland

i think we all have to judge how things evolve, but the message from nato leaders and from finland and sweden is that we are there to support ukraine. we will continue to provide support. >> the national press agency. >> in the current situation which we observed now in ukraine, does nato preserve its right to assist ukraine with defensive equipment? can we expect nato will provide ukraine with badly needed antiaircraft equipment? sec. gen. stoltenberg: nato allies continued to provide support for ukraine. at the meeting today, the nato summit with eu and finland and sweden, allies and arms and also informed the allies about the type of weapons, the type of support and some of that will include air defense systems. nato allies had continue to provide support, military but also equipment to ukraine. they all realize it is evolving and a difficult situation. it is hard to predict what are the possibilities in the future. allies are providing support and are committed to continuing to provide support. >> nbc, just behind the camera. >> thank you, mr. secretary-general. there is concerned

you saw housing 1st is the success in finland. it's helped 4 out of 5 . people find their way back to a more structured life to the fins. this is a sustainable investment. since is no longer a need to finance comprehensive housing assistance, the countries saves 15000 euros annually per homeless person for emergency shelter such as this one have been converted to housing. some of the money issue, it's always cheaper to provide ferment, follow forth, permanent coaching than to keep people to manage. cry commanded formula 5th by providing only on liquor, temporary accommodation in felt of her hostess. so basically, i think that the big, big question is, is the political oil in germany, it's difficult to get into a housing 1st program, chiefly because of the shortage of flats. so far, only a few 100 people nationwide have been able to assign a tenancy agreement in cologne to have been 5 so far. the 6 person was housed by the city in this rundown hotel for the past 2 months to residence, sharing 12 square meters. now joe was moving out a cologne, non profit h

, are not— countries, like sweden and finland, are not part — countries, like sweden and finland, aref things like this troop presence _ result of things like this troop presence on the ukrainian border. think— presence on the ukrainian border. think he _ presence on the ukrainian border. think he will very much for that. a fascinating discussion. we have a few minutes left. —— thank you very much. few minutes left. -- thank you very much. , ., , ., , much. one story came to my attention. — much. one story came to my attention. a _ much. one story came to my attention, a great _ much. one story came to my . attention, a great foreign-policy attention, a great foreign—policy storv _ attention, a great foreign—policy story. effectively france pulling out of— story. effectively france pulling out of mali. france's virtual, but during _ out of mali. france's virtual, but during french forces from the country— during french forces from the country and indeed allied western nations— country and indeed allied western nations pulling out as well, is an entirely— nations pulling out as well, i

i've spoken in favour of eu member states, sweden and finland _ of eu member states, sweden and finland is where, _ finland being neutral, and that is where, for— finland being neutral, and that is where, for example, the baltic states— where, for example, the baltic states feel that they might come under— states feel that they might come under real pressure as well, of course, — under real pressure as well, of course, nato members they are, and as was— course, nato members they are, and as was said. — course, nato members they are, and as was said, nato's article five meahs— as was said, nato's article five means that if they ever came under attack— means that if they ever came under attack by— means that if they ever came under attack by the whole of the alliance would _ attack by the whole of the alliance would have to come to their defence. vladimir— would have to come to their defence. vladimir putin has asked to speak to the ukrainian president about the possibility of ukrainian neutrality, but that _ possibility of ukrainian neutrality, but that is— possibility of ukrainian neutr

ask about finland that nato partnership with the alliance is very important or less, while maintainingtional defense we retain the opportunity to apply for membership. it's the sovereign right of each nation to make decisions on its security policies. in other words, russia can take a hike. >> yes. this is the central issue. it is what is really at the threat for the western world and that's the freedom of the nation to make its own decision, how it joins, when it joins, what security rates it'll make. not up to moscow to dictate or veto what happens in helsinki or paris. or what happens in taipei because a course the chinese are also watching how this transpires because of moscow and veto the freedom of kyiv and ukraine, then that gives them the pretext for doing what they would like to do over taipei as well. >> trace: when you're brought up a good point. who put russia in charge of policing this region or the world, and at what point does the world push back? right now, we have seen ten years of aggression aimed right at crimea and ukraine, as these breakaway regions ten years with

let's start with the finland and sweden the possibility they might join nato.at? >> they are excellent partners already. they are, as we all know very proud countries with very strong traditions of independence. and also of non- alignment. the fins about the soviets and valiantly in the famous winter war in 1939 -- 1940 and made the soviets worked really hard for that win which ultimately was a more limited wind. so fins and swedes are tough people you do not want to put on the other side. again i agree with president biden putin has created an effect he didn't want. whether we should do expedited nato membership for those two countries that is an interesting question. you know, actually run about five years are trying to outline a different kind of framework that would not require nato membership even for ukraine and georgia. but given what has happened things have changed. and i think we should consider seriously the possibility of some kind of commitment. nato membership may be too elaborate, may take too long paramount to think about putting u.s. military f

i mean ukraine isn't to united country finland was more or less united things also for the russian. and i'm impressed with the cost of trying to occupy, but i mean, i'm not, i'm not aware what you praying, reaction is, and i didn't think the other countries, they're interested in general security, especially germany, france. but they're not the main actors here. i mean, it's got to be you, crane, and russia decide their relationship together. and, and that also means the kremlin has to be cautious. i mean, it's very easy to be goaded into action when you and guam action, really when it's not in your best interest. so everyone has to be coo and they have to think it through. but the main point truly is the you is ukraine, russian relationship. that seems to me absolutely central. i don't know. well, that's been discussed, marsh in russia, but that's the key to it. well, i mean have leverage said that the kind of talk are being used. ruins of, of the gerbils textbook, textbook and propaganda when it comes to security agreements in, in europe, you know, a form a specialized foreign off

friday has been set for a meeting of nato hurts, plus finland and sweden, which are neutral. what's the thinking behind inviting them? nato. i often invites these non aligned countries, finland and sweden, to its meetings, because they are very much integrated with, with nato's defense. i mean, it's not a nato's interest to have a hole in its security up there with ben linden suite in, nor for those countries either and the european union leaders have also been invited to this summit. ursula under lion and sharma shell, have also been asked to come up to the, to the nato leaders to meeting tomorrow. so i think what, what nato wants to do and the, you, as well as to present a united front, a seamless front, together with united states. it's important to say, i mean, that's what, what nato brings to the table. here is this transatlantic bond, and they will send yet another signal to russian. president putin. now it's, it's no longer, you know, asking him a, trying to convince him to change course. it's too late for that, but they're going to make sure he understands that there'

. >> emily: we've had very encouraging cases coming out of finland but meanwhile there are charges ofl doctor. she's been a member of parliament for decades. she is the interior minister and she has not some flaky out-of-bounds individual who is not been participating in society and doing what she thinks to make it a better place. she is in trouble for a tweet that quoted from the bible based on her personal beliefs. let me read you what the law says there. it's as if a person is found in finland to have expressed a perfect stomach message insulted someone, you could me to prison for two years. i don't know how twitter and social media can operate in the environment because who could do that question work would we want subway who tweeted that to go to jail for two years? whether you agree with this woman or disagree with her, if that standard is that low that it's about insulting someone to send you to jail, regardless of how you feel about this particular issue, you should be worried. >> shannon: it is so vague and here in the country, that's when we say it is unconstitutional. you s

and then also sends wearing messages to both sweden and finland because they fear that the door to nato could be closing. their status is neutral and what will be the bigger security implications for the region and many. and let's say that if you get that now to pretend he will ask for more in the region, because let's remember his 2 grand agreements that he's asked me to end. the u. s. for is that all troops move out of central and eastern europe since 1997, any country that join nato. so this might just be the order to a much bigger change in the security landscape. russia and beller was conducting joint drills in belgrade. how do you assess this in light of a crisis? i think it's an extremely worrying message because if you look at the map here, it's not very far at all from beller ruse. and in addition to that prism a chrome, so that was one of the things that he received from president putin, that there would be some form of de escalation because that's what everyone wants to see in order to continue dialogue. but president putin didn't really say that that would happen. he says th

but we'll be able to keep some kind of sovereignty as finland was from the soviet union during the cold war. today he came out, denied that so a lot of uncertainty and a sense from its analyst here that micro, like many western leaders before him, thought that or based on his personal charm, his career, his ability to talk one to one with that me putin. he spent 5 hours together with the leader in the kremlin, that somehow he was able to achieve something that other people hadn't. and now it seems that actually the results of that diplomacy have been a lot more modest than he would have hoped. and if you personally have lived and reported in ukraine for years in your view, has the reality of the severity of the situation really set in for people living. there was kind of an extra restriction heckler for weeks. ukraine's been dominating her headlines worldwide. and for the longest time, you got a sense that people here weren't taking it particularly seriously. for most people, it seemed like a, just another m run in with russia, as they've seen, many in the past years since russia and ex

and sweden, the eu, is that we _ from finland and sweden, the eu, is that we are — from finland andrt. many years and we continue to provide support-— provide support. went to the national press _ provide support. went to the national press agency - provide support. went to the national press agency of - provide support. went to the - national press agency of ukraine. secretary—general, and the current situation in which we observe now in ukraine, does nato preserve its desire to assist ukraine with defensive equipment, in particular can we expect that nato will provide ukraine with so badly needed anti—aircraft equipment. thank you so much. anti-aircraft equipment. thank you so much. ., ., ., , ., so much. nato allies continue to rovide so much. nato allies continue to provide support _ so much. nato allies continue to provide support to _ so much. nato allies continue to provide support to ukraine - so much. nato allies continue to provide support to ukraine and l so much. nato allies continue to provide support to ukraine and i | so much. nato allies continue to - provide support

finland yesterday said that because of russia invading, finland is not a nato member.sia did, this might make finland rethink its posture when it comes to nato membership and maybe try to become a member of nato and the russian foreign ministry threatened if notland. this would really have disastrous military consequences. what is your response to that? >> so you see the problem now of not being in and not being fully out but being sort of neutral. which is that once you show any interest in going into nato, suddenly, russia would threaten you on the theory that they could overrun you before nato got around to admitting you into the club. and thus surrounding you with the defenses. it is no idea that vladimir putin picked ukraine in this case. he understands article 5. he knows what the result would be if an attack on one became an attack on all. he doesn't want to add to nato's numbers. he is trying to subtract the number. >> and president zelenskyy of ukraine gave a speech where em, this night, we have to stand ground. the fate of ukraine is being decided right now.

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we've heard that done non nato members, finland and sweden will be present. also at that meeting, tell us about the significance of that. we know that you were also reporting in sweden, about the perceived threat of russian aggressions. right? that's right, those finland and sweden have were extremely offended by president putin's threat to them that they should not even think about joining nato. these are 2 countries that actually don't want to join nato at the time and for decades. have been against it. but being told that they would not have the right to do so as something neither of them would stand for. so they'd come out very strongly against moscow making statements like that. it's very important for them to be at this meeting. and the you leaders will be there as well. so as i said before, a very united front here in brussels and somewhere you know, they, they want to make sure that standing on virtually as it will be. but standing allied alongside the americans, the fins, the swedes, and the european union, and nato. tomorrow, that's the image they w

we'll follow the case in finland. great to have you in "focus." critics hitting the democrat-led states peeling back their covid mandates claiming it is all about politics. the fact that they're doing it is a good thing if they could just get to the schools and not prioritize all the folks who want to go to football games and adults. let's see if they can get there. dr. fauci has a take on the politics of it all. i didn't think that was his lane. and then there is this. >> i think it's in everybody's interest to find an off ramp if that's possible. it is hard to know exactly in any circumstance what a country like russia or a leader like putin will do. >> harris: russian troops say they're pulling back. nato says they are still massing along the border of ukraine. what can we make of the mixed messaging now? day two on this. general jack keane in "focus" next. i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! (sighs wearily) here i'll take that! (excited yell) woo-hoo! ensure max

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the night game tonight is finland in slovakia. i pick 3 weeks ago i said rushes sweden, finland. i'm still alive in the pool there for the podium. so, you know, disappointing the u. s. last but that's just the nature of the game, but i'm still sticking with russia that russia sweden games going to be unbelievable. and finland spend playing great slovakia, they're the cinderella story of the for teams like and like you said, i think if you're a fan of whether whichever games we're talking about here, whether it's it's basketball in the summer or hockey in the winter olympics. i think if you're a fan of those sports, you're certainly going to want to invest in them because like you said, even though the n h l stars aren't there, it's still good games. yeah. it's still people who are trying to live their dream and they're getting to do it on a net or an international stage. been holding in holland cook. thank you so much for joining us today. you bet. thank you. and that's it for this time to get boom bust on demand on the portable tv app available on smartphones and tablets, or goo