fiona hill is the former white house adviser on russia, and the author of a remarkably important bookled, there's nothing for you here, funding opportunity in the 21st century. doctor hill, thank you for a time. >> thank you so much, ali. >> up next, we will be joined by one of the reporters that broke a story that the justice department is expanding the number of people it is investigating over generous excess. it is getting closer to donald trump's inner circle. p's inner circle that oddly satisfying feeling when you don't do it yourself. the justice department remains committed to holding all january six perpetrators at any level accountable under law, whether they were present that they or were otherwise criminally responsible for the assault on our democracy. we will follow the facts wherever they leave. >> attorney general merrick garland earlier this year vowing that investigators at the justice department will follow evidence of wrongdoing at any level that they came across while investigating the january 6th attack. federal prosecutors have charged more than 775 involved in t

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fiona hill, thank you for your analysis. get more from former national security advisor lt. gen. h.r. mcmaster, and he is host of the podcast "battlegrounds." good morning, h.r. strategically, why would russian forces move to the east? >> well, to try to get something out of this, right? to try to compensate for the utter failure of the offensive initially. it is quite clear that russia has failed from the very beginning in connection with its original object to subjugate all of ukraine, and mainly on kyiv and odessa. what you see is a concentration now in the donbas region and in the south. it is interesting, margaret, we haven't heard too much talk about this, but this is about 10% of the ukrainian land mass, but the land mass that holds about 90% of ukraine's energy resources. i think what you see russia of having a strategic design in mind is, as fiona mentioned, it is also making the sea of asoff a russian lake, and the sea as well. >> brennan: i thought it was interesting that president zelenskyy, he said russia needs

domestic politics stop us from defending ourselves against foreign powers who truly wish us harm. >> fiona hill is testifying during the first impeachment trial in 2019. hill, of course an expert on russian and european affairs, who has advised several u.s. presidents going back to george w. bush and then advising barack obama and then donald trump. she was appointed in 2017 was to go to person for russian relations. she is the main voice in a new piece by contributing writer for the new york times magazine. she warned about the dangers of a second trump term. quote, he was at a desk on the morning of january six 2021 writing a memoir. a journalist friend schuman rush recalled, the frontal digital on the television. when she did, so a burst of horrific clarity over took her. i saw the threat she told me. the thread connecting the zelenskyy phone call to january 6th. remember when 2020 putin a change russian's constitution to allow him to stay in power longer? this is trump pulling a putin. the author of that piece joins me now. >> -- >> robert, it's a great piece of work. gil is one of the most

jonathan, fiona hill described the u.s. as being in a state of, quote, deevolution, with the checks on executive power flagging. and she makes clear that despite the change in u.s. administration, one thing remains constant, that is, quote, putin has been there for 22 years. he's the same guy with the same people around him, and he's watching everything. your thoughts on her assessment of it? >> this is an extraordinarily interesting interview in the "new york times" magazine. and her book, by all accounts, is outstanding. so, she tells a really some ways frightening story. she went into the trump administration as a russia expert and a putin expert. and she found that president trump resembled vladimir putin more than he resembled his own american predecessors. in other words, he is an authentic authoritarian. and then of course in the first impeachment she testified because she felt that he had put his own narrow political interests in trying to spread dirt about joe biden ahead of our national interests and very much ahe

you had alex, fiona hill, your own family's story and in a way that these immigrants who are believing more in america than, you know, those who have arguably benefitted from the system so much. >> maybe. i mean, i know for myself, i became an american by choice at the age of 18. >> yes. >> and you have to think about what that means and you know, where you want to live and the values of the united states and i wanted to identify myself with that. and my parents, they came here with nothing and they were always grateful to the united states that we had safe harbor, they could bring up their children and they could do well here and they told me i needed to give back just as they did, they were teachers and brought up generations of students, and so that was a huge influence on me. >> so, you write about another part of the book that we haven't talked that much about, but i think it goes to this question what's happening to american democracy and what about the democracies that you saw challenged or struggling to emerge. you were in russia several-- a couple times in your career, but you

i mean for many people like fiona hill. it was your firing that. provided the spark to try to understand that there was a problem that something not right was going on between trump and giuliani and you know, i think many people felt that actually you're you're firing was the moment at which the kind of iceberg, you know, burst into into view a of the story. you didn't know many of these other elements at that time though. no, it was happening around me. yeah, so the other thing and this conversation and your book i must say for for people because we are talking about a book lessons from the edge. yeah. see i can shamelessly flack for it. you know, you can be dignified, but i'm happy to it's really it's a very powerful read and one of the things in the book and in your testimony is you bring this. i think i called it uncynical outreach. you know about what happened to american democracy and to our system of government, you know that this isn't how things are supposed to work. it's actually shocking you know that the president united states would sm

you had fiona hill, your on family story, in a way these immigrants who believe more in america thanho have arguably benefited? >> may be. i know for myself and you have to think aboutut what that means and we want to live in the united states and i wanted to identify myself. and my parents came here with nothing and were always grateful to the united states and they want to do a how one —- they want to do all here and to give back and that is a huge influence on me. >> so g you write about another part of the book with what happened to american democracy and what about the democracy you saw struggling to emerge? you were in russia, a couple times in your career but you were there in 1983 in boris yeltsin not standing on n the tank noble steering down the two from 1991. what later generations of moscow correspondence would refer to as a bad to one —- to in 1991 but by turning the tanks on himself he was blowing the whistle to democracy and then there through the election of 1996 and that was a corrupt bargain to purchase that election to be justified by many people here in washington

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that people like fiona hill who worked in the trunk white house said it emboldened vladimir putin to ukraine. >> what i have changed my decision? no, because my standard for impeachment was very simple, and it was a violation of the law, and adam schiff was saying this was extortion, and the precondition for extortion did not exist in that phone call. as a host of reasons of why vladimir putin decided to go into ukraine at the time he went into ukraine, and that phone call, that issue i think was not the biggest decision that vladimir putinsed. judy: i know you say this is abouthe issues and wanting to improve our political system, but a number of your friends have said you are thinking about running for president in 2024. is that something that is in the cards? >> does it's great that you ride a good book -- you write a good book and everyone things you're running for president, and the reality is i have been lucky to serve my country in a variety of ways. in the cia, working on different issues, it was awesome representing people when i was in congress. if an opportunity comes for

this, fiona hill's assessment of the former president has new resonance in the current moment.f his presidency, indeed, trump would come more to resemble putin in political practice and predilection than he resembled any of his recent american presidential predecessors. seeing him behind the scenes, does that ring true in terms of how he sought to shape the american presidency? >> you know, it's interesting, i think that there is -- he did draw closer to putin. i think putin comes across as an opportunist looking for opportunities to exploit. and clearly in this context, i think it goes back to your earlier question that whether putin was material in the 2016 elections, donald trump seems to think that putin was material in the elections, and he's looking -- he's stretching out his hand asking for help. i'm going to be on your side, vladimir putin. i want you to help me in 2024. and i think that he thinks that he can get some help. he's an opportunist looking for aid from a like-minded individual, and that's one of the reasons it seems that he's not willing to be critical. i th

fiona hill who was the advisor on russia to president trump and a former intelligence officer and andlongstanding expert on on russia and on some of the trends that you're discussing rhoda a biography of putin sort of almost like a psychological profile of putin a few years ago and one of the things she emphasized is that he sees himself as a as a history, man. right, not just because he things is you know, sort of a world historical figure, but because he deploys history to his advantage. and one of the questions that has come up in the in the q&a is you know do the autocrats that you're talking about study. the history of past leaders who have used similar tactics do they do they do they learn and imitate from history? um, it depends some of them are not a readers. and some of them just read text that the reinforce what they're doing. and we saw a very strange event last week when vladimir putin essentially described the history of ukraine and explain how ukraine was destined inevitably to be part of russia again. and most experts immediately. so the holes in their reasoning and the

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for many people like fiona hill it was your firing provided the spark to understand that there was a problem that something not right was going on between trump and giuliani. your firing was the moment at which the kind of iceberg burst interview. it was a big part of the story. you didn't know many of these other elements at thattime . >> know, it was happening around me. >> the other thing and this conversation in your book i must say because we e are talking about lessons from the edge. you can be dignified but i'm happy to. it's a really very powerful read and one of the things in the book and in your testimony, you bring this i think i called it on cynical outrage about what happened to american democracy and to our system of governance. that this isn't how things are supposed to work. it's actually shocking that the president of the united states would smear and fire and ambassador that did nothing wrong. do you, are you still able to be on n,cynical? the american system on paper does it still look asstrong to you after all of this ? >> as we know this was only the first impeac

judy: -- the commentary about the apparent signal that that sent, that people like fiona hill, who worked in the trump white house, said emboldened vladimir putin to into ukraine? rep. hurd: well, do i -- would i have changed my decision? no. judy: right. rep. hurd: because my standard for impeachment was very simple. and it was a violation of the law. and adam schiff was saying that this was extortion. and the preconditions for extortion didn't exist in that phone call. there's a whole host of reasons of why vladimir putin decided to go into ukraine at the time that he went into ukraine. and that phone call, that issue, i think, was not the biggest decision that vladimir putin used to go in. judy: last thing. i know you say this is all about the issues and wanting to improve our political system. a number of your friends, though, say you are -- have thought about, are thinking about running for president in 2024. is that something that's in the cards? rep. hurd: look, it's great that you write a really good book and everybody thinks you're running for president. and the reality is, i hav

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