the reason, as fiorina referenced, is that men are likely to be in more senior positions: reaction to his comments during state of the union, will it ignite a new debate over pay equity? >> bonnie, i think, bring it on. as long as my republican colleagues refuse to pass the very modest update of equal pay act that is 50 years old we need that. >> i think this debate about how women are paid in the white house is sort of useless. we have more constructive way of dealing with the issue. >> i think the debate is going to continue and up to women to make sure that it continues. >> i think if fiorina runs for president this will be front and center. most people forgot the state of the union at all. [ laughter ] >> are you saying women don't care about equal pay? >> i'm saying that most people probably didn't watch the state of the union. >> forget about the state of the union just the debate over equal pay, which by the way there were figures out i think it was last week maybe this week showing that it's now 82 cents to the dollar up from 77. we should caution it has gone up and down. >> h