first amendment. they're expressing their religious beliefs. now is the time to make justice a reality for all of god's children. captioning provided by the first amendment center, funded by the freedom forum. welcome to speaking freely, a weekly conversation about free expression in america. i'm ken paulson. our guest today is one of america's best-known journalists and authors, carl bernstein. great to have you here. good to be here. you know, i've read quite a bit about you, and there's been a great deal written. what i've enjoyed reading particularly is the descriptions of woodward and bernstein, who they are in the history of journalism, and one of my favorites, especially considering some of your rock critic roots, is, the city paper in washington described you as the lennon and mccartney of journalism. would that make you paul or john? um, interesting. i think john. that's a good choice. are you surprised that-- i mean, it was an extraordinary story, tremendous impact, obviously, but 30 years on, it is absolutely what you are best known for and it's what people want to talk to you about. has it surprised you the staying power of that whole episode? not r