now, i understand it's a fisa court. and the judge says a fisa court is weird because it's secret.i'm telling you it's weird because it exists. no other western democracy goes to a court to conduct espionage. so when we're looking at this from nsa, with the balance between secrecy needed for success and transparency needed for approval, we're saying this was authorized by the president legislated by congress, overseen by the court. i'm sorry, folks, that is the madisonian trifecta. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i want to say, thank you, first of all, and what a pleasure and honor it is to be with judge napolitano, general hayden, great to be with you. >> thanks. >> it's an honor. and i would say if i may, general hayden, as long as we have men like yourselves and the judge contesting big issues and big ideas in talking about this nation's interest in our great constitution, all men and women who appear here will be playing at home before cpac. thanks so much. [ applause ] >>> with live coverage of the u.s. house on c-span and the senate on c-span2, here on c-span3, we complement t

. >> wiretaps were put in under the foreign intelligence surveillance act, known as fisa. fisa allows the fbi to tap you, wiretaps, that run reel to reel, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. >> isa was not considered important enough to monitor these wiretaps 24 hours a day, so the fbi wasn't sure what was on them. and they would need to be translated since the isas spoke arabic. fortunately, the fbi used the best listening devices available. >> they're top of the line. they can pick up a whisper at 50 feet, some of these things, if they're placed properly. >> placement of any listening device is crucial. after breaking into the isa apartment, agents did not have much time to plant the bug. they needed not only a place to hide the device, but also a power source. a battery-operated device is the easiest to plant. but with a long-term surveillance, the battery would need to be replaced periodically. >> get in there once, you are lucky. get in there twice, you are even luckier. and the third time, you tend to get caught. >> the fbi had been able to connect the devices to elec

we broaden the fisa corporation. -- court.nobody goes to a court to to espionage as we look at this with an essay -- an essay approval we say that is overseen by the court. it is a trifecta. [applause] >> it is an honor to be with judge napolitano and general dated. and i would say general, as long as we have a man like yourself contesting biggity is to talk about the nation's interest and our great constitution, all men and women can play at home before cpac. thank you. [applause] thank you very much. is a great pleasure to be here today to see you all here at cpac at the beginning of a critical election cycle. i said in 2008 and still believe barack obama was not in is not qualified to be president of united states on national-security grounds and we have two more years of peril to go. to very dangerous years this is why national security issues must me at the center of the 2016 presidential debate. [applause] we must have a robust debate among the various republican candidates for the nomination and i fully expect to play a

i think edwin was about as jealous of john as fisa versa -- vice-versa. they were starting to excel in different lines of work. not totally, but they play different characters. edwin saw john do one play. he gave him his costume and said i can't do that. john fully admitted that edwin was a better othello edwin was a better hamlet. i think he wanted fame. it was not so much the atricure. he had that. -- so much theatrical. he had that. i think it was a feeling of cowardice. he had the war go on. he had done absolutely nothing. he played at a soldier and lost one. i think it was over self approach and he wanted to distinguish himself in some way in getting hold of lincoln was some way. i do not see any abnormal jealousies in the family there. just normal ones. >> mr. goldman, and treatments relative to the treatment of veterans. any treatments about the bonus army in the aftermath of world war i? the veterans on the mall. the second is, are you familiar with jim wrighhtt's book, those who bore the burden? mr. goldman: is there anything you want me to addre

sunday on "newsmakers" adam shift talks about the hillary clinton e-mail story and the future of the fisa court. he currently serves as ranking member on the house intelligence committee and also discusses cyber security issues and a possible reorganization of the c.i.a. watch "newsmakers" sunday at 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. on c-span. the secret service director joseph clancy testifies on an incident in which two secret service agents allegedly drove into a white house barricade while drunk. he spoke in front of a house appropriations subcommittee and you can see his comments sunday at 10:30 a.m. eastern also on c-span. c-span created by america's cable companies 35 years ago and brought to you as a public service by your local cable or satellite provider. >> welcome to the international convention in las vegas. this is where a lot of the new technology is shown every year telecommunications are also presented. we're going to take a tour with tim moynihan. tim, we're in the lg booth here. what's in here that made you want to see this booth? >> you name it. lg makes a lot of things. my pri

this fisa court has indicated that if the 215 expires, the government has come up with a new explanationy should be able to collect this information in that signals that the court will allow this. to the debate over this in congress and the public may not matter. the court could just allow them to continue collecting this information even if this authority goes away. kennedy: so people who actually care about this in this country, that infringes on our civil liberties as the government is in some cases illegally spying on american citizens, people should be concerned about this. my worry is that we are not talking about the nsa and that the government is spying on us as much as they should. and so people paying attention to this in section 215, we have been hoping that it does last, but now it doesn't matter, that's really scary. this will continue regardless of what congress does been there only a few people that are really keeping an eye on this. ron wyden and just in a mosh. how can we let people know this is important remark. >> i do not know. i'm a patriot and a true blue american.

i think edwin was about as jealous of john as fisa versa -- vice-versa. they were starting to excel in different lines of work. not totally, but they play different characters. edwin saw john do one play. he gave him his costume and said i can't do that. john fully admitted that edwin was a better othello edwin was a better hamlet. i think he wanted fame. it was not so much the atricure. he had that. -- so much theatrical. he had that. i think it was a feeling of cowardice. he had the war go on. he had done absolutely nothing. he played at a soldier and lost one. i think it was over self approach and he wanted to distinguish himself in some way in getting hold of lincoln was some way. i do not see any abnormal jealousies in the family there. just normal ones. >> mr. goldman, and treatments relative to the treatment of veterans. any treatments about the bonus army in the aftermath of world war i? the veterans on the mall. the second is, are you familiar with jim wrighhtt's book, those who bore the burden? mr. goldman: relative to their treatment in the civ

i think edwin was about as jealous of john as fisa versa -- vice-versa. they were starting to excel in different lines of work. not totally, but they play different characters. edwin saw john do one play. he gave him his costume and said i can't do that. john fully admitted that edwin was a better othello edwin was a better hamlet. i think he wanted fame. it was not so much the atricure. he had that. -- so much theatrical. he had that. i think it was a feeling of cowardice. he had the war go on. he had done absolutely nothing. he played at a soldier and lost one. i think it was over self approach and he wanted to distinguish himself in some way in getting hold of lincoln was some way. i do not see any abnormal jealousies in the family there. just normal ones. >> mr. goldman, and treatments relative to the treatment of veterans. any treatments about the bonus army in the aftermath of world war i? the veterans on the mall. the second is, are you familiar with jim wrighhtt's book, those who bore the burden? mr. goldman: is there anything you want me to addre

certainly, there's questions about how fisa evidence was used and whether the government may have usedeillance before the introduction of the informant. that is to say, before he met the informant, did the government know or somehow want to target sami osmakac? there certainly said josh and along that line. it is miraculous sami osmakac which rubble 45 minutes from his home and meet someone who just so happens to be an fbi informant and target him. to make clear, the government in the trial never was able to write any evidence that sami osmakac had any connections to international terrorists groups. this was at best an idea, an idea that was manipulated by the government through an fbi informant and an undercover agent. in the end, the capacity for that, all of the weapons, all of the money, was provided by the fbi and is very elaborately orchestrated -- amy: i want to turn to avni osmakac. what do you want people to understand about your brother's case? >> i just want to make clear that whatever the government is playing in the media never thing going on, has been orchestrated by the

government will tell you about this, though, is that all of this has to be subject to a fisa court approval search warrant if it's a u.s. person and criminal matter. what the u.s. government will say about this is, look, yes, the spies do spy, but there are constraints and controls upon that. that's been the flashpoint of this snowed dean bait going back -- debate going back two years whether or not the controls are enough to sort of satisfy americans who are worried about their civil liberties. >> eamon javers in washington, thank you so much for that. >>> we are getting breaking news and we will gee to sue herera at hq. >> thank you very much. we want to show you these dramatic pictures, the basic story here is that a tanker truck has overturned, spilling bio fuel on interstate 95. they've closed the southbound lanes and pacically what this means is -- basically what this means in prince george county between baltimore and washington, d.c., where the spill occurred. it is creating complete havoc with traffic right now. they're going to have to clean it up. they will try to move the tanker

under fisa we cannot get a court order to tap into information that is used with the phone. accessing information and digital phone that has what we might want to call our intelligence also accessing that would be like accessing a person under oath getting information they might have been cited and. so we may have to look at the kind of legislation that equates with our intelligence and try to access our own privacy. so the would be a sanction if we lie under oath, and if we have a choice now of opening up our own phone and even if the company can't do that, i would just try to make speed i unyielding my time. let him talk. he's a nice guy. >> i'm trying to make a distinction between the kinds of laws that we right or we offer in one set of technology. we are looking at artificial intelligence and we're looking at another kind of the children were region make us safe our own information accessing that is going to have to have another kind of another level of thought like we had to do with accessing and tapping into technology. a safe is still the old technology. i think -- [

under fisa we can get a court order to tap into information used with a phone. accessing information on a digital phone that has what we might want to call intelligence also, accessing that would be like accessing a person under oath and hearing information they may have inside of them. you might have to look at the kind of legislation that equates our intelligence. and transactions as our own provie say. there would be a sanction if we lie under oath. if we have a chows now choice now of opening up our own phone and even the company can't do that yeah, i would just try to make a distinction -- >> i didn't yield him my time. but let him talk. he's a nice guy. representative: i'm trying to make a distinction between the kinds of laws that we write and author, in one set of technology, when we're looking at artificial intelligence and we're looking at another kind of technology where we can make safe our own information accessing that is going to have to have another level of thought like we had to do with the accessing and tapping into technology. a safe is still

structured process in place that's reviewed by a judicial -- either on the criminal side or in the fisa -- in the court. there needs to be an education piece that we're not looking to snoop where we shouldn't be allowed to snoop. we have to have the lawful ability to intercept. whether you're talking about an ongoing criminal matter, a dangerous criminal matter or you're talking about a terrorist communicating oert or overseas or in the united states. it needs to start with a public message for all of us to explain exactly what it is.the united states. it needs to start with a public message for all of us to explain exactly what it is. then we need to go back and provide legislative tools much like there were with chalia, that applied not just to a small number of providers, but apply to the majority of those providers who serve as communication platforms. i think that's an issue that needs to be resolved and head-on immediately. i know from the fbi's perspective we are engaging with the international association of chiefs of police the major sheriffs and the chiefs to explain our posit